2016 Postmortem

deathrind

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192. I think you...

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:02 PM

Apr 2016

Hit the nail on the head with this sentence.

"Her platform is whatever is polling well that week and passes the Focus Group"

... and I know you hit the nail square on the head with this sentence.

"OTOH: Bernie has been remarkable consistent throughout his campaign...and career."

He has been remarkably consistent throughout his time in office.

My remarks from another thread…

I don't think I will ever understand why the Democratic Party finally for the first time in my half century of existence had a candidate that was openly campaigning on the core principles/values that the Democratic Party has wanted or at least used to want. Economic, Education, Healthcare, Defense, Financial, Environmental reform and the DNC, the establishment and many voters turned their back on him.

We had the chance to put a candidate into the White House who would have actually made a difference.

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Sanders Returns: "It's Not Just About Me," Clinton Will Have To Change Her Platform To Earn My Suppo [View all] think Apr 2016 OP

"It is not just about me, it has never just been about me," salinsky Apr 2016 #1

Exactly. DURHAM D Apr 2016 #4

LOL. OK. think Apr 2016 #5

Clinton cannot agree to his platform, its barred by trade treaty Baobab Apr 2016 #162

Was that "Trade Treaty" approved by 3/4 of the Senate? IF not it is not a treaty. Vincardog Apr 2016 #218

"World Trade Organization" Baobab Apr 2016 #220

Would that be harder or easier to get out of than the Geneva Conventions W abrogated? Vincardog Apr 2016 #222

LOL!....Bernie, the candidate of 'US and WE' versus Hillary, the candidate of 'ME and I'.... Segami Apr 2016 #12

No. Another invention. We're not buying and not debating the pure fabrications. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #17

OK. Since neither side is likely to convince the other.... nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #132

It's not a fabrication Mnpaul Apr 2016 #207

When you have repukes reiterating this dishonesty bs with benghazi hearings wordpix Apr 2016 #209

Yes. And thanks for all your posts Segami. dinkytron Apr 2016 #46

Now that I have read Bernies interview... Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #160

I don't think it started out that way. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #15

Oh please. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #133

You have no clue Armstead Apr 2016 #19

You want to talk about message? ... salinsky Apr 2016 #44

so vote for the one that can get something passed, even 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #67

I donated to other Democratic candidates because Bernie's campaign sent an email asking me to. n/t femmedem Apr 2016 #85

There you go. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #134

I would rather have an outspoken advocate for these issues; bvar22 Apr 2016 #176

Then by all means, please vote for more of the same. It's been so great! Kittycat Apr 2016 #185

The only thing he promised is to try. Scuba Apr 2016 #211

He's doing no such thing. Chan790 Apr 2016 #224

+1 Exactly merrily Apr 2016 #71

Member since: Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:10 PM = Welcome to Ignore. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #25

For the second time .... salinsky Apr 2016 #38

Lots of passive-aggressive here Dem2 Apr 2016 #53

Hey, cheer up, Dem2 senz Apr 2016 #123

No one expects you to stop Fairgo Apr 2016 #124

My mother taught me to Look Away when someone is making a fool of themselves in public. bvar22 Apr 2016 #177

exactly Fairgo Apr 2016 #181

IT's jsut a juvenile debating tactic anigbrowl Apr 2016 #129

So very different but TM99 Apr 2016 #204

Not really anigbrowl Apr 2016 #208

A swing and a miss ... salinsky Apr 2016 #213

Just because you say you support TM99 Apr 2016 #221

I never said I support Sanders ... salinsky Apr 2016 #223

Well then we were correct? TM99 Apr 2016 #225

Correct about what? salinsky Apr 2016 #227

Who said we were all Democrats? TM99 Apr 2016 #228

Thanks for confirming my suspicions ... salinsky Apr 2016 #229

You act like it is some sort of secret thing. TM99 Apr 2016 #232

So, what're you gonna do? Vote for Trump? salinsky Apr 2016 #233

Why in the fuck would I vote for Trump? TM99 Apr 2016 #234

That would put you firmly in the toilet flushing category ... salinsky Apr 2016 #235

No, kid, it does not. TM99 Apr 2016 #236

Pfffft ... salinsky Apr 2016 #237

Yes, you are TM99 Apr 2016 #238

Dude, I don't care who you vote for ... salinsky Apr 2016 #239

You obviously care way too much TM99 Apr 2016 #240

We just look at your start date and number of posts artislife Apr 2016 #167

Consider the name: "salinsky". A very popular online username among a certain set of voters. ieoeja Apr 2016 #70

timing is everything. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #206

Are you kidding? He didn't want to run for president and waited for a long time to see if Blue Meany Apr 2016 #35

Warren is not running because she has an important agenda that is better served ... salinsky Apr 2016 #49

You have no clue why Warren isn't running. Please stop pretending to read minds. merrily Apr 2016 #73

Warren said that was why she wasn't running. Do you disbelieve her? Squinch Apr 2016 #78

Link, please. merrily Apr 2016 #79

You can look it up. Google "Elizabeth Warren statement not running" Squinch Apr 2016 #83

Um, I did that before I asked for a link. Your turn. merrily Apr 2016 #89

Here are two of the many statements I found that essentially say the same thing. But anyway, Squinch Apr 2016 #96

I would have ended it with the one and only reply I made to the poster, if you had not chimed in. merrily Apr 2016 #98

OK, merrily. Whatever. Squinch Apr 2016 #99

“I’m not running and I’m not going to run,” she said. “I’m in Washington. I’ve got this really ... salinsky Apr 2016 #107

It is phatic. She had to say something. Do you think everyone who asks "How are you doing?" really merrily Apr 2016 #108

Let's review ... salinsky Apr 2016 #110

I stated my position, which is different from yours. That is no different from what you are merrily Apr 2016 #112

"I stated my position, which is different from yours." ... salinsky Apr 2016 #114

And you think this post will help your candidate (I'm assuming HRC) SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #137

+1,000! nt MADem Apr 2016 #42

Brings to mind: OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #77

It never has been just about him. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #86

And Bernie knows what's best for the American people, LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #125

Yass. Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #104

Clinton people dont understand this because it does not compute. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #105

+++ frylock Apr 2016 #118

Yup, with that evil Hillary it's all about her annavictorious Apr 2016 #194

Welcome to DU. I trust you've enjoyed your first month? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #198

#I'mWithHER frylock Apr 2016 #116

By what measure? Another slime if you can't come up with evidence of dishonesty? snowy owl Apr 2016 #117

He's being dishonest about his whole agenda ... salinsky Apr 2016 #121

Well, as things stand presently, SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #138

#Yourewithher shalafi Apr 2016 #119

It has never been about him, and the proof is if he wanted to profit off of Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #152

So Bernie plans to bring down the Democratic party and let the GOP win Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #158

Bring down the Democratic Party? No, that's Debbie's job ... Scuba Apr 2016 #212

Did you forget to add... Matt_R Apr 2016 #231

I just find it hard to believe that Bernie would believe anything Hillary says, at this point. djean111 Apr 2016 #2

Me either, she'll say anything to win. nt haikugal Apr 2016 #8

She would have to do more than adopt specific aspects of his platform to convince me swilton Apr 2016 #37

I don't think he does dana_b Apr 2016 #43

Well, yeah, but SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #139

Oh I agree and dana_b Apr 2016 #171

Well, Bernie stated that he would support Hillary if he only knew what she stood for. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #183

Yeah changing her platform won't help, not when you're known as a liar. Joob Apr 2016 #214

Exactly right eggman67 Apr 2016 #241

He's with us!! haikugal Apr 2016 #3

How profound: He's with Us Vs. I'm with Her FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #26

. haikugal Apr 2016 #31

He's starting to pivot. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #6

No he isn't, he was responding to a question designed to elicit that response. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #10

Please. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #40

That's a fair point. Big picture, on careful review, I think you're right. MADem Apr 2016 #45

I think he's going to do that for his ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #51

I think you've nailed it. My first reaction was "WHAT HUBRIS!" but looking through a longer lens MADem Apr 2016 #72

That's an interesting idea!! JoePhilly Apr 2016 #88

Makes sense, simply from an age and effort POV. MADem Apr 2016 #95

You may be right, SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #141

He can be "in it to the Convention" but if she wins on the first ballot, and it's likely that she MADem Apr 2016 #161

Well, I sincerely hope she surprises me, if it comes to that. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #169

It's not her turn. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #188

It's not the "stating" part that concerns me. She's stated plenty. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #193

I'm not concerned with what she said either. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #196

I'm not even thinking about that until it moves forward, if it does. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #199

Right! Losers don't make the demands. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #203

"It's a two-way street", says the guys not conceding anything. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #7

It is good that you noticed. HubertHeaver Apr 2016 #16

So candidate Carpetbagger is going to play hard to get, eh? The people that voted during the SFnomad Apr 2016 #9

You are too funny. Hope you have a great weekend! think Apr 2016 #13

Before I saw your response, I almost posted the exact same thing you did Armstead Apr 2016 #21

Straight from that Hillary super PAC, well done. Broward Apr 2016 #20

Which policy stances of his don't fit within the Democratic Party? TCJ70 Apr 2016 #23

Third Way or New Deal? nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #142

Well he is a democrat but many people are finding the 'he's no democrat' a plus given their well haikugal Apr 2016 #33

When you said "candidate Carpetbagger" I thought you were referring to the former Senator from NY corkhead Apr 2016 #64

After 7 years you're hardly a carpetbagger anymore. How long has BS been a Democrat? 15-20 mins? n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #68

Note to independents/third parties: don't caucus with Dems. Sounds like a winning strategy! n/t That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #93

Secretary Clinton has had a house in NY for 16 years now ... she has ties to NY SFnomad Apr 2016 #103

She did not have a house in NY before she decided to run for the Senate. That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #106

I'm glad there was a transcript BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #11

You mean Andrea Micthell -- her name isn't "Mrs. Greenspan": obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #29

She IS Ms. Greenspan.... haikugal Apr 2016 #34

No. It is Mrs. Alan Greenspan. Her husband was a key perpetrator of the Great Recession FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #36

Isn't it misogynist to imply that a woman can't think differently than her husband? Dem2 Apr 2016 #113

One can, but SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #143

Guilt by association Dem2 Apr 2016 #144

Well, I wouldn't marry someone SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #147

Mr. Andrea Greenspan Dem2 Apr 2016 #149

If you say so. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #153

You're simply justifying your political biases Dem2 Apr 2016 #155

If that's the way you see it, please carry on. Without me. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #156

Oh, and if you're going with my analogy, it would be Mr. Andrea Mitchell. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #154

Not only is she clueless, but she's offensive. Gregorian Apr 2016 #14

If he's already outlining the endorsement, then the primary is over Tarc Apr 2016 #18

That's right doesn't want or need Hillarys support Skink Apr 2016 #24

Sorry that you're having a hard time facing reality Tarc Apr 2016 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author itsrobert Apr 2016 #22

I'm in the Tired of Unimaginative Parrots stage of grief Armstead Apr 2016 #27

LOL--He's saying "It's not about ME, but if you don't do what I WANT, I'm going to take all my MADem Apr 2016 #28

more threats dana_b Apr 2016 #47

You don't think he was making threats himself? Still the same old I'm-not-a-Dem gadfly... Hekate Apr 2016 #87

Threats? The one doing the "threatening" is Sanders. MADem Apr 2016 #90

OK then Pat Riots Apr 2016 #140

Thanks. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #148

I don't dispute that the Dems made a deal with him--they even put him on their ballot. MADem Apr 2016 #172

If you want my support you have to earn it. Sounds very reasonable to me. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #30

Most if not all of his goals are worthy DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #32

Why have they been criticized so much then? Armstead Apr 2016 #54

Really. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #145

Too bad. I was hoping he wouldn't go full tilt into the role of an angry and bitter old codger. procon Apr 2016 #39

more ageism dana_b Apr 2016 #48

Yeah, but it was alerted and allowed to stand. Punkingal Apr 2016 #56

I'm 70+, what is this 'agism' thou speaketh of? procon Apr 2016 #58

I'm no spring chicken so I do know that dana_b Apr 2016 #61

Sanders is just under six years older than Hillary. merrily Apr 2016 #75

Yeah, I bet you were hoping. I bet you might even vote for Bernie if it weren't for his supporters corkhead Apr 2016 #52

True. Very true. nt. procon Apr 2016 #59

LOL! Just under 6 years older than Hillary. merrily Apr 2016 #57

Terrible way to characterize this great American. Shame on you. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #62

You do know that Hill is almost as old as he is don't you? peace13 Apr 2016 #63

Stick with bitter and codger then. procon Apr 2016 #135

Sounds delicious. peace13 Apr 2016 #146

"evidently didn't interest enough voters to put him over the top" SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #151

Oh, my goodness, listen to you. procon Apr 2016 #184

Please. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #191

... "necessary for the country" ??? procon Apr 2016 #195

Working a lot better than you anticipated, I bet. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #197

lol,how about your old war horse screaming non stop? I like how her eye twitches when she's angry wendylaroux Apr 2016 #66

May I remind you that Hillary is ONLY 5 years younger than Bernie and Bernie is in better health. jillan Apr 2016 #101

She has angry old woman thing going, but we are not supposed to say it. artislife Apr 2016 #170

ageism is just as despicable as sexism. desmiller Apr 2016 #182

Try that message with the Superdelegates you need and let us know how it works out brooklynite Apr 2016 #50

Good I have been waiting for the this kind of statement. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #55

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #60

Give 'em hell, Bernie! closeupready Apr 2016 #65

Absolutely Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #163

When you lose it's a one-way street, and you ain't driving BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #69

A wise woman named Peggysue says, "The hitchhiker is demanding the car keys." Squinch Apr 2016 #82

Clinton is not stupid. If she becomes the nominee, you will see incorporation JimDandy Apr 2016 #131

Yeah, but what I'm worried about is a pivot *after* the GE..... nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #159

So tired of those myself, even when prepared for them. That's why I don't think I will even have it JimDandy Apr 2016 #164

Oh I (reluctantly) do. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #174

Who trusts HIllary to follow through on a promise? bvar22 Apr 2016 #200

This is pretty disappointing. He wants to run on the Democratic ticket, but Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #74

How can anyone know her platform, sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #91

Correct. shalafi Apr 2016 #115

Her platforms have literally changed during the election Joob Apr 2016 #92

If I were Clinton Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #166

Any candidate who is for war and fracking and the TPP and means-testing Social Security djean111 Apr 2016 #205

YES! merrily Apr 2016 #76

If even 1% of Bernie's Ideals make it into a Clinton Platform it will probably have been worth The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #80

That's already happened. Clinton became his doppelganger months ago and has already appropriating JimDandy Apr 2016 #130

Wait? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #81

This was the best I apcalc Apr 2016 #84

She would have to demonstrate NOW that she is serious about election integrity. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #97

"I 've got to find out what her platform is" Who the hell supports such ignorance? WOW. bettyellen Apr 2016 #100

That was a great side swipe by Sanders at the Weathervaner's weekly changes in policy. JimDandy Apr 2016 #127

Oh my, I think you're right! Great side swipe! SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #168

Well stated Bernie! pa28 Apr 2016 #102

Meh. Bernie will endorse Hillary. He's not going to end his career by helping Trump get elected. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #109

That kind of vacuousness is not a trait of Sanders. n/t JimDandy Apr 2016 #128

I have no problem with Sanders staying in the race until all votes are cast, Beacool Apr 2016 #111

Polls show him consistently defeating Republicans by a much greater margin senz Apr 2016 #122

It's a moot point. She will be the nominee. Beacool Apr 2016 #173

You mean the will of the Party elite? senz Apr 2016 #175

Reality is something that you're not familiar with, right? Beacool Apr 2016 #178

The Hillary Group keeps floating this completely meaningless statistic bvar22 Apr 2016 #187

National GE polls this far out don't count either. nt Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #226

I'm familiar with the reality of Hill's deck stacking, game rigging and string pulling. senz Apr 2016 #189

This post more than others has evoked the absence of integrity in Clinton supporters. snowy owl Apr 2016 #120

Nope... Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #126

She'd have to change her (political) DNA to earn my support. IOW, it's not possible for her. nt Romulox Apr 2016 #136

Hillary Clinton has proven herself to be not only a liar and a cheat, but incompetent to boot. AzDar Apr 2016 #150

This... deathrind Apr 2016 #157

Well, it keeps changing.... or "evolving" or something... bvar22 Apr 2016 #179

I think you... deathrind Apr 2016 #192

Yes!! The campaigns have shown themselves to be very far apart. artislife Apr 2016 #165

It's not just about me. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #190

Clintons platform is the win and what is getting the votes. So, Sanders renigs. Insists, demands seabeyond Apr 2016 #180

Then she will have to do it without the Bern. This sounds like a threat and not good to supers. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #186

She sure does. If he doesn't win, he needs to move her as far to the left as he can silvershadow Apr 2016 #201

There is a limit to any demands Sanders makes of Clinton. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #202

Realistically, it is pretty much pointless to make any liberal or Progressive demands of Hillary, djean111 Apr 2016 #215

If Sanders makes those type of accusations like you are then LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #216

Brockwurst. djean111 Apr 2016 #217

If he askes his supporters to support Clinton, he will become-- eridani Apr 2016 #210

But is Clinton able to change at all? Orsino Apr 2016 #219

Its Unfortunate but Wake Up HRC supporters jimmy_crack_corn Apr 2016 #230