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Gothmog

(171,165 posts)
18. Democrats would be insane to nominate Bernie Sanders
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

One reason why match up polls are worthless at this stage of the contest is that Sanders has not been vetted or subject to the expected attacks from the GOP. Dana Milbank has some good comments on general election match up polls https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html?hpid=hp_opinions-for-wide-side_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Sanders and his supporters boast of polls showing him, on average, matching up slightly better against Trump than Clinton does. But those matchups are misleading: Opponents have been attacking and defining Clinton for a quarter- century, but nobody has really gone to work yet on demonizing Sanders.

Watching Sanders at Monday night’s Democratic presidential forum in Des Moines, I imagined how Trump — or another Republican nominee — would disembowel the relatively unknown Vermonter.


The first questioner from the audience asked Sanders to explain why he embraces the “socialist” label and requested that Sanders define it “so that it doesn’t concern the rest of us citizens.”

Sanders, explaining that much of what he proposes is happening in Scandinavia and Germany (a concept that itself alarms Americans who don’t want to be like socialized Europe), answered vaguely: “Creating a government that works for all of us, not just a handful of people on the top — that’s my definition of democratic socialism.”

But that’s not how Republicans will define socialism — and they’ll have the dictionary on their side. They’ll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. They’ll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldn’t be fair, but it would be easy. Socialists don’t win national elections in the United States .

Sanders on Monday night also admitted he would seek massive tax increases — “one of the biggest tax hikes in history,” as moderator Chris Cuomo put it — to expand Medicare to all. Sanders, this time making a comparison with Britain and France, allowed that “hypothetically, you’re going to pay $5,000 more in taxes,” and declared, “W e will raise taxes, yes we will.” He said this would be offset by lower health-insurance premiums and protested that “it’s demagogic to say, oh, you’re paying more in taxes.

Well, yes — and Trump is a demagogue.

Sanders also made clear he would be happy to identify Democrats as the party of big government and of wealth redistribution. When Cuomo said Sanders seemed to be saying he would grow government “bigger than ever,” Sanders didn’t quarrel, saying, “P eople want to criticize me, okay,” and “F ine, if that’s the criticism, I accept it.”

Sanders accepts it, but are Democrats ready to accept ownership of socialism, massive tax increases and a dramatic expansion of government? If so, they will lose.

Match up polls are worthless because these polls do not measure what would happen to Sanders in a general election where Sanders is very vulnerable to negative ads.

The so-called attacks on Sanders so far pale in comparison to that the GOP will do to Sanders if he is the nominee

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K&R... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #1
Team Hill has a stake in her win Hydra Apr 2016 #3
paychecks reddread Apr 2016 #10
All of them here claim to be in the 1%, or close Hydra Apr 2016 #13
This appears to have been written before Hillary stepped in it again today BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #2
Ya, it's like they give her a list of "Don't do this in public!" Hydra Apr 2016 #4
That was a silly remark. She and her campaign just don't get it, do they? nc4bo Apr 2016 #5
the fact check slander reminds me of Gary Hart daring the roguevalley Apr 2016 #16
Meh. This is the guy from the Iowa town hall Tanuki Apr 2016 #6
The Clinton campaign and others have been treating Sanders with kids gloves compared to the GOP Gothmog Apr 2016 #7
So your justification is that the GOP will be worse? Clinton has no positions on rhett o rick Apr 2016 #9
Clinton has not gone negative on Sanders Gothmog Apr 2016 #14
Are you trying to rationalize that there is a hundredth of baggage for Sanders as rhett o rick Apr 2016 #15
Democrats would be insane to nominate Bernie Sanders Gothmog Apr 2016 #18
I can't wait for the GOP to BRING IT !! Hiraeth Apr 2016 #12
Sanders supporters will not be able to stomach the GOP attacks on Sanders Gothmog Apr 2016 #17
BRING IT, GOP !!! BRING IT ON !!! Hiraeth Apr 2016 #19
her biggest mistake was thinking she would be crowned just because she wanted it. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #8
Everytime they attack Bernie, his supporters just hold him a little tighter or send him a few more $ jillan Apr 2016 #11
To me their biggest mistake is attacking all of us GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #20
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