2016 Postmortem

Samantha

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48. As you and I both know, politicians sometimes say what is politically convenient at the moment

Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:44 PM

Feb 2016

I am not Tad Devine and this is not 2008. I am trying to have a general discussion on this subject and why this is allowed by the people.

And just for the record, I don't change my opinion on important issues depending on the candidate.

Sam

PS Nowhere did I say we should stop in the middle of the 2016 cycle....

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Superdelegates offsetting the results of primaries is unconstitutional IMHO [View all] Samantha Feb 2016 OP

I agree gyroscope Feb 2016 #1

Wanting a little democracy with your Democratic Party may just put you in the poo-poo firing line! Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #2

Thanks for the warning -- I can handle it Samantha Feb 2016 #6

constitution has nothing to do with it. aidbo Feb 2016 #3

The political party is above the US Constitution? gyroscope Feb 2016 #5

The constitution does not apply. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #7

The rules must be consistent with the 15th amendment gyroscope Feb 2016 #8

The Democratic Party Does Not Constitute Governmental action Stallion Feb 2016 #11

You realize, don't you, that before 1968, most voters had no roll at all? brooklynite Feb 2016 #93

No, they don't. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #12

So what is the purpose of primary elections? gyroscope Feb 2016 #15

It used to be only party officials. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #17

There were no 'superdelegates' put back into the process John Poet Feb 2016 #92

To select some (most, actually) of the delegates to the national convention Freddie Stubbs Feb 2016 #22

Superdelegates overturning the will of the voters gyroscope Feb 2016 #62

The parties, remember each state has a party nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #55

i suggest you consider what happens in 2016 if superdelegates overrule the will of the people? highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #103

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in the 2008 primaries. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #105

As well as the 14th. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #63

The process of voting or caucusing in primaries is governed by the states and the constitution, aidbo Feb 2016 #14

This is very true Samantha Feb 2016 #73

YES. wildeyed Feb 2016 #83

The Constitution has EVERYTHING to do with it Samantha Feb 2016 #9

but we're talking about a political party's method of selecting a nominee. aidbo Feb 2016 #19

Do I understand you correctly? Samantha Feb 2016 #74

If that scenario was allowable by the party's rules, it could do that. aidbo Feb 2016 #87

... PonyUp Feb 2016 #4

Interesting argument, I don't think I agree firebrand80 Feb 2016 #10

The amount of adverse opinion on this subject is too overwhelming to post here Samantha Feb 2016 #33

What about the case of a brokered convention? firebrand80 Feb 2016 #41

No one would have a majority if there were a tie Samantha Feb 2016 #78

This is a very thoughtful post Samantha Feb 2016 #102

I'm a Bernie supporter but you are wrong. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #13

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this Samantha Feb 2016 #16

You are entitled to your opinion mythology Feb 2016 #29

Did you read the thread carefully? (eom) Samantha Feb 2016 #35

The general election is govern by applicable state and federal law. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #18

Exactly. Plus, the SCOTUS has ruled that political parties are private organizations. stopbush Feb 2016 #31

Yes. Voters can approve the process by voting for the party's candidate. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #36

Is it your position political parties do not have to comport to state constitutions Samantha Feb 2016 #37

Not in the candidate selection process... So says SCOTUS. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #43

Watching an early 50s Democratic Convention I remember jwirr Feb 2016 #20

A High Percentage of Super Delegates ARE Democratic office-holders Stallion Feb 2016 #24

Yes, and in the old system I think they would attend conventions jwirr Feb 2016 #25

Thank you so much -- the history of these issues is always interesting Samantha Feb 2016 #38

Bernie agreed to the rules. TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #21

What the candidates agreed to is irrelevant. CentralMass Feb 2016 #26

So here's the process to alter it. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #28

There is not much to worry about right now... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #30

I hope you are right -- but at some point I am hoping that we insist on getting rid of these Samantha Feb 2016 #42

I agree Samantha Feb 2016 #39

So you would be okay with Republicans registering as Democrats and voting in our primaries? randome Feb 2016 #40

Some are doing it now as we "talk" because they are crossing over to support Bernie Samantha Feb 2016 #44

Bernie made an agreement. We didn't. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #46

As I said in another post... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #49

Bernie's not being disenfranchised, we are. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #64

Internal party rules nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #23

I already know without looking factions are not mentioned Samantha Feb 2016 #45

Parties are a private organization nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #47

Please reread the first paragraph under "Superdelegates are Unconstitutional in the OP" (eom) Samantha Feb 2016 #51

I see I am far from the only one nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #52

Reminds me of when people complain about abridgment of their 1st amendment rights.. aidbo Feb 2016 #69

Yup, or twitter or facebook nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #70

The actual primary voting is covered by state and federal laws. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #53

I vote for a name on a ballot so I consider that voting for a candidate Samantha Feb 2016 #59

frankly the precedent of ending the *White primary* is enough MisterP Feb 2016 #27

Be sure to ask Bernie's chief BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #32

As you and I both know, politicians sometimes say what is politically convenient at the moment Samantha Feb 2016 #48

OK, fair enough. BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #61

So why is there all this anguish among Bernie's supporters - DJ13 Feb 2016 #79

Please note that this is NOT the first time BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #80

I remember 2008 DJ13 Feb 2016 #86

Well said. Nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #91

Well, who elects Boy Scout leaders? Teacher union leaders? Who appoints Supreme Court justices? randome Feb 2016 #34

Let's look at New Hampshire CentralMass Feb 2016 #50

WELCOME TO THIS THREAD, CentralMass Samantha Feb 2016 #54

Thank you. CentralMass Feb 2016 #57

According to Wikipedia Super Delagates Include State Elected Officials-Gov, Senator and Representa Stallion Feb 2016 #77

Unconstitutional? NobodyHere Feb 2016 #56

It is obvious the Democratic party runs the process as it wants Samantha Feb 2016 #60

Unconstitutional? Tarc Feb 2016 #58

Here is what will happen if the SD's go rogue Oilwellian Feb 2016 #65

I would really like to believe Democrats would never do this (sincerely) Samantha Feb 2016 #66

This happened in 2008 as well Oilwellian Feb 2016 #71

I appreciate this information but did you see the list of superdelegates? Samantha Feb 2016 #72

I did see the list Oilwellian Feb 2016 #75

so it's time to sue, in a favorable court, while the SCOTUS is tied. grasswire Feb 2016 #67

That thought occurred to me Samantha Feb 2016 #68

Berns agreed to the internal party rules. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #76

So you can confidently say things such as brokered conventions and lobbyists becoming superdelegates Samantha Feb 2016 #85

The Constitution does not govern the primary process - and primary voters have no Constitutional Empowerer Feb 2016 #81

I know of at least one Court that would disagree with your premise Samantha Feb 2016 #95

That's a civil rights issue. wildeyed Feb 2016 #108

And you are entitled to your honest opinion. Sheepshank Feb 2016 #82

It is not just my opinion, Sheepshank, it is the opinion of many, many people Samantha Feb 2016 #96

then they all have honest, but low fact based constitutional law, opinions on this matter Sheepshank Feb 2016 #98

Many people who share my opinion are easily located with a simple Google search Samantha Feb 2016 #104

Just as many are right here on your thread and do not share your opinion. n/t Sheepshank Feb 2016 #106

If you have been thinking and believe it is unconstitutional... Yog-Sothoth Feb 2016 #84

You have a lot of factual mistakes in your post, not to mention pure insults Samantha Feb 2016 #97

Well your HO is wrong. Codeine Feb 2016 #88

Yes, I know small parties just announce their one candidate Samantha Feb 2016 #89

Well thought out DJ13 Feb 2016 #90

I don't have a problem with anything you say Samantha Feb 2016 #99

There is no constitutional basis for the primaries, for parties, for the whole fake rigged game. Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #94

I think your title is essentially correct since the Constitution delegates the rights to conduct Samantha Feb 2016 #100

Article 2 Clause 2 and 3 are not your friends. Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #107

Talk to Tad Devine. This was his idea. WhiteTara Feb 2016 #101

The existence of superdelegates does not "tamper with primary results" Freddie Stubbs Mar 2016 #109