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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Superdelegates offsetting the results of primaries is unconstitutional IMHO [View all]Samantha
(9,314 posts)33. The amount of adverse opinion on this subject is too overwhelming to post here
I am going to just post a few excerpts.
But first, just to respond to that very first sentence you wrote, in some cases yes, in other cases no. What about this:
By contrast, the unpledged PLEO delegates (Rule 9.A) are seated without regard to their presidential preferences, solely by virtue of being current or former elected officeholders and party officials. Many of them have chosen to announce endorsements, but they are not bound in any way. They may support any candidate they wish, including one who has dropped out of the presidential race.[6] The other superdelegates, the unpledged add-on delegates (Rule 9.B), who need not be PLEOs, are selected by the state parties after some of the pledged delegates are chosen,[2] but they resemble the unpledged PLEO delegates in being free to vote as they wish.
Unpledged PLEO delegates should not be confused with pledged PLEOs. Under Rule 9.C, the pledged PLEO slots are allocated to candidates based on the results of the primaries and caucuses.[2] Another difference between pledged PLEOs and unpledged PLEOs is that there is a fixed number of pledged PLEO slots for each state, while the number of unpledged PLEOs can change during the campaign. Pledged PLEO delegates are not generally considered superdelegates.
You are correct in saying superdelegates have never caused a candidate to lose a nomination, but it could happen. There could be harm to a candidate, but most of all it would be grossly unfair to all of the voters who in primaries supported that candidate. And that is where our election laws could enter in.
Check this comment out:
Given how Sanders falls well outside the establishment," Timm continues, "its hard to see how he can gain a significant number to make up for Clintons leadmeaning its more likely that superdelegates would at least want to tip the scales in favor of Clinton, even if he ends up winning more primaries."
As far back as August, the Clinton campaign boasted having the support of more than 440 superdelegates.
What's more, as Intercept journalist Lee Fang reveals in this series of tweets, many of the superdelegates who have already pledged support to Clinton have fundraising or established lobbying ties to the candidate.
The entire process, Karp continued, exposes another leg of what he refers to as "the invisible primary," where "media elites, big donors, union leadership" and the heads of other Democratic party-aligned groups have "pushed back against the Sanders insurgency" and "launched a consolidated effort to [stand] up for Clinton as the establishment candidate." (emphasis added)
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/02/11/after-nh-trouncing-clintons-delegate-haul-exposes-rigged-electoral-system
But I will close out this response to you with a quote from DWS:
Unpledged delegates exist, really, to make sure that party leaders and elected officials dont have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists, Wasserman Shultz said, adding that the Democratic Party highlights inclusiveness and diversity at our convention and wants to give activists every opportunity to participate, which she says it what the superdelegates are for.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/11/cnn-host-challenges-wasserman-schultz-on-rigged-superdelegates-process-just-watch-her-response/
Just something to think about, firebrand80, and thanks for posting on this thread. I apologize for the length of this post.
Sam
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Superdelegates offsetting the results of primaries is unconstitutional IMHO [View all]
Samantha
Feb 2016
OP
Wanting a little democracy with your Democratic Party may just put you in the poo-poo firing line!
Kip Humphrey
Feb 2016
#2
To select some (most, actually) of the delegates to the national convention
Freddie Stubbs
Feb 2016
#22
i suggest you consider what happens in 2016 if superdelegates overrule the will of the people?
highprincipleswork
Feb 2016
#103
The process of voting or caucusing in primaries is governed by the states and the constitution,
aidbo
Feb 2016
#14
The amount of adverse opinion on this subject is too overwhelming to post here
Samantha
Feb 2016
#33
Exactly. Plus, the SCOTUS has ruled that political parties are private organizations.
stopbush
Feb 2016
#31
Is it your position political parties do not have to comport to state constitutions
Samantha
Feb 2016
#37
I hope you are right -- but at some point I am hoping that we insist on getting rid of these
Samantha
Feb 2016
#42
So you would be okay with Republicans registering as Democrats and voting in our primaries?
randome
Feb 2016
#40
Some are doing it now as we "talk" because they are crossing over to support Bernie
Samantha
Feb 2016
#44
Please reread the first paragraph under "Superdelegates are Unconstitutional in the OP" (eom)
Samantha
Feb 2016
#51
Reminds me of when people complain about abridgment of their 1st amendment rights..
aidbo
Feb 2016
#69
As you and I both know, politicians sometimes say what is politically convenient at the moment
Samantha
Feb 2016
#48
Well, who elects Boy Scout leaders? Teacher union leaders? Who appoints Supreme Court justices?
randome
Feb 2016
#34
According to Wikipedia Super Delagates Include State Elected Officials-Gov, Senator and Representa
Stallion
Feb 2016
#77
So you can confidently say things such as brokered conventions and lobbyists becoming superdelegates
Samantha
Feb 2016
#85
The Constitution does not govern the primary process - and primary voters have no Constitutional
Empowerer
Feb 2016
#81
then they all have honest, but low fact based constitutional law, opinions on this matter
Sheepshank
Feb 2016
#98
Many people who share my opinion are easily located with a simple Google search
Samantha
Feb 2016
#104
Just as many are right here on your thread and do not share your opinion. n/t
Sheepshank
Feb 2016
#106
There is no constitutional basis for the primaries, for parties, for the whole fake rigged game.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2016
#94