2016 Postmortem

MADem

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57. I'm trying to get a sense of how people feel about this. Is it bad, or is it only bad when

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:20 PM

Feb 2016

someone named CLINTON does it?

Should anyone who does this be tossed under the bus, scorned, subjected to ridicule and excoriation, as Clinton has been, for partying with bankers and giving speeches to them in exchange for cash? See, she's not the only one who has done this, but it seems to me, even though others have spoken MORE frequently to Wall Street bankers, that she is getting the lion's share of the "blame."

I'm trying to establish if there's a consensus where people will say declaratively "Yes, the rules should be the same for EVERYONE and EVERYONE should be subjected to the same scrutiny."

That paper is 41 pages long. I normally do examine links when people are polite enough to offer them, but that's a bit of a slog--can you give me the Cliff notes? TIA.

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About those fundraisers over the course of five or more years... what bothers you more? (Poll) [View all] MADem Feb 2016 OP

I care about actual issues and policies, and beating the GOP. I remember when Sanders supporters DanTex Feb 2016 #1

It isn't debatable - Analysis says the money buys the policies that the money wants kristopher Feb 2016 #59

Nothing about the money? daleanime Feb 2016 #2

Well, what would you want to add about the money? MADem Feb 2016 #5

I don't think it's all in the past.... daleanime Feb 2016 #6

I should hope she kept some of it--I think the idea was to build up a nest egg in case she needs to MADem Feb 2016 #7

And I have people here telling me that I believe in unicorns.... daleanime Feb 2016 #9

Well, Clinton isn't the only candidate who addressed Goldman Sachs bankers in exchange for MADem Feb 2016 #54

And this is a good thing that needs to be protected? daleanime Feb 2016 #56

I'm trying to get a sense of how people feel about this. Is it bad, or is it only bad when MADem Feb 2016 #57

Cliff notes? Not too hard to do. If you have lots of money, the government.... daleanime Feb 2016 #58

Molly Ivins vs Jesse Unruh Fumesucker Feb 2016 #3

Other: LWolf Feb 2016 #4

It is the impropriety of it. A lack of ethical standards. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #8

It's unethical to speak to Wall Streeters/corporatists, and receive money as a consequence? MADem Feb 2016 #18

For your own personal gain when you are in office or plan to run, yes it is. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #19

Don't you think winning an election using Wall Street money is "personal gain?" MADem Feb 2016 #20

Sorry, your questions are incomprehensible? nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #21

I can see why you are having trouble with them--but they are not "incomprehensible." They are quite MADem Feb 2016 #22

Nope they are gibberish. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #23

Reading is fundamental! MADem Feb 2016 #24

So is writing. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #25

Yes, indeed. I wrote direct and simple--VERY SIMPLE--questions. MADem Feb 2016 #26

I guess I don't do simple. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #36

I can understand why you might not want to respond to my questions. nt MADem Feb 2016 #39

I'll look into it. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #40

Yes, it is the arrogance of it. earthside Feb 2016 #32

Let's be clear--I don't want to misinterpret your POV. You believe that it was wrong for her MADem Feb 2016 #41

A person who wants to run as a progressive populist ... earthside Feb 2016 #44

Hillary's not the only one with this "problem," though. MADem Feb 2016 #53

Two things. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #10

She wasn't a FEDERAL EMPLOYEE when she gave those speeches. She was a private citizen. MADem Feb 2016 #13

. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #16

That was your "lead off" smack down, that she was abusing her authority. MADem Feb 2016 #17

Bernie raised money for the Democratic Party... mak3cats Feb 2016 #11

You know what she did with the money? Do tell, with links if you've got 'em. MADem Feb 2016 #14

It depends on what was said during the speeches - which is why she should release the transcripts. Vinca Feb 2016 #12

Do you think all candidates who speak to Wall Street interests should release the transcripts of MADem Feb 2016 #15

Yes . . . if you're speaking to people who give you mountains of money and you are a public figure Vinca Feb 2016 #51

Well, one candidate addressed members of Wall Street at private venues for many years. MADem Feb 2016 #55

They should apply to everyone. Vinca Feb 2016 #60

Birds of a feather usually flock together. BlueJazz Feb 2016 #27

Could you elaborate? TIA. nt MADem Feb 2016 #28

People with the same values usually connect with each other. Except sociopaths, they usually hate.. BlueJazz Feb 2016 #33

OK--so you are saying that anyone who gives speeches to bankers and other corporate bigwigs MADem Feb 2016 #34

No, I'm not saying that. (give speeches to ...) I'm saying that selling yourself to gain money... BlueJazz Feb 2016 #42

Sorry I misunderstood you. MADem Feb 2016 #43

It's just the appearance of corruption, even it's entirely innocent. I feel that it's bad enough... BlueJazz Feb 2016 #46

I don't think you're ranting. MADem Feb 2016 #48

Perhaps you're a strong enough person to not be influenced by all the money and "Stuff". BlueJazz Feb 2016 #49

Quid Pro Quo Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #29

Do you believe that this association--a politician giving speeches to rich bankers, etc. who pay MADem Feb 2016 #35

She was paid personally for those speeches. They've made over 150 million from speeches. RiverLover Feb 2016 #30

Why is the poll BS? There are no right or wrong answers. I want to understand how DUers feel MADem Feb 2016 #37

False choice, many of these weren't "fundraisers", especially Clinton's Arazi Feb 2016 #31

How do you know the Clinton speeches weren't undertaken in order to build a MADem Feb 2016 #38

I see your struggle and I empathize. Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #45

I don't have a struggle. I'm just trying to figure out if it's EVER "OK" for Democratic politicians MADem Feb 2016 #47

Not for money. And I think their should be a 10 year ban between government service and private Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #50

What else is there, save money? Not even to finance campaigns? MADem Feb 2016 #52