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DetlefK

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14. Logic is irrelevant.

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 05:29 AM

Nov 2018

Kurt Goedel made a proof of God, very similar to the one of Descartes: Both came to the conclusion that if a highest good is possible, then it must exist.

However, it always depends on whether the assumptions can be found in the real world. Goedel's assumptions were plainly unrealistic, thus rendering his proof no more than a mathematical exercise.

Descartes imagines God as unchanging and static (omnipotent, omniscient...), and from this he somehow deduces that God must exist. But think of all the things that exist and all the things that do not exist and will lnever exist? What is more in line with being static and unchanging? Existence or non-existence?

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What counts as evidence for/against God? [View all] DetlefK Nov 2018 OP

Nothing. elleng Nov 2018 #1

A definition of god must be presented first. trotsky Nov 2018 #2

The last refuge of the theist Cartoonist Nov 2018 #3

Somewhere in the ancient Celtic world... oldlibdem Nov 2018 #4

Define evidence, and define God. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #5

You claim god exists, you define him Lordquinton Nov 2018 #6

I claim belief that God exists. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #7

I know the difference between claim and proof Lordquinton Nov 2018 #8

Sophistry, Guy. Pure and Simple. MineralMan Nov 2018 #9

Apart from what you reveal when speakigngto theists, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #10

Writing coherent sentences. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #15

In an interesting display of irony, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #16

Are coherent and complete synonymous? Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #17

I'm a generalist, Guy. MineralMan Nov 2018 #18

Descartes proved with logic that God exists but the Catholic Church rejected it because logic and pr keithbvadu2 Nov 2018 #11

His "proof" was not very compelling edhopper Nov 2018 #12

Logic is irrelevant. DetlefK Nov 2018 #14

" What is more in line with being static and unchanging? Existence or non-existence?" edhopper Nov 2018 #19

Witness testimony is all we have marylandblue Nov 2018 #13

You'd have to define God qazplm135 Nov 2018 #20

There's tons of evidence against. Iggo Nov 2018 #21

Failure to provide evidence for something is not the same as providing evidence against something. DetlefK Dec 2018 #22

God keeps piling up absences. Iggo Dec 2018 #23

Those making the claim must provide the evidence edhopper Dec 2018 #24