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MineralMan

(149,487 posts)
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 03:32 PM Nov 2018

Looking at history from the beginning of written records, [View all]

it is clear to me that religion, organized religion in particular, has been more of a force for ill than for good. From the Israelites laying waste to those in their surroundings who were not Israelites to today's Islamic extremists who wield terror as their primary tool, what we see is one religion fighting another or the non-religious throughout recorded history.

How many wars were fought over religion? How many indigenous peoples and cultures suffered genocide at the hands of those who invaded their lands in the name of religion? How many Muslims died during the Crusades? How many Jews were killed in the concentration camp ovens by people who quoted Martin Luther as partial justification? Wars, even between denominations of Christianity, have taken uncountable lives over the centuries.

How many were enslaved, transported, and subjected to cruel treatment in various parts of the world, including in our own nation, by people quoting religious scriptures in justification? How many were persecuted and sometimes murdered for loving people of the same sex? How many women died in childbirth due to a prohibition on contraception by the largest segment of the Christian faith? How many children have been tortured, killed or sexually abused by "holy" men who held religious power over them and who acted with impunity? How many are still suffering in that way, unseen, unnoticed, and unable to resist?

That is not to say that there are not kind, generous, tolerant people who are religious. Of course there are. But, all of those combined could not stop the horrors that have been perpetrated in the name of, and encouraged by, organized religions. Religion is power, and power overwhelms those who do not have it, often leading to destruction and death.

That is not to say that all religious people and organizations do those horrible, deplorable things. But many do. Many have done. Some continue to do them. And in the name of their invisible deity, which has no evidence of even existing. Religion has allowed, and still allows, the very basest, cruelest and most obscene aspects of human nature to operate. Not all religious believers behave that way, but enough do to make the world an unsafe and dangerous place.

There is no denial that such horrors have occurred. There cannot be. We have all the records of those events. It is a shame. It is unconscionable. I cannot, in any way, excuse such behavior in the name of religion. Those who can excuse it or who do not make efforts to put an end to it are also culpable. I reject religion on those grounds. It is of no benefit to human society. Just the opposite.

Rant off.

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Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot exboyfil Nov 2018 #1
Yes, and so? MineralMan Nov 2018 #2
Cancer and heart disease both kill people. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #3
Whataboutism, pure and simple. MineralMan Nov 2018 #4
I'm still hoping for a cure for religion. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #5
Science has been working on that, too. MineralMan Nov 2018 #6
So, religion is no worse than totalitarian regimes? trotsky Nov 2018 #7
And your opinion is simply that. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #8
Did I pretend otherwise? MineralMan Nov 2018 #9
So if we could eliminate humans, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #10
Non-responsive. MineralMan Nov 2018 #11
What I contributed is a refutation of your "thesis". guillaumeb Nov 2018 #12
In your own mind, you are convinced. MineralMan Nov 2018 #13
Open your own to the concept. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #14
Save your advice for someone MineralMan Nov 2018 #16
I responded, but the response illustrates the failing of the original post. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #18
Bullshit! MineralMan Nov 2018 #19
And #15? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #21
My answer was posted. MineralMan Nov 2018 #22
And I respect that answer. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #23
I don't care what you respect, Guy. Not one bit. MineralMan Nov 2018 #25
Ma reponse: guillaumeb Nov 2018 #26
Regardez. Voici mon cul. MineralMan Nov 2018 #29
Votre niveau? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #30
My question is, would people have behaved better if there had never been any such thing as The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #15
There is no way to answer your question. MineralMan Nov 2018 #17
An excellent answer to the question. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #20
Without religion, we'd have fewer terrible things, though. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #24
I think you're right. Someone did take a look at history to study religion's role in war. Jim__ Nov 2018 #27
Sedentism. Staying at home and protecting it. Agriculture. Grain storage. Seasons. Smarts. Followers cachukis Nov 2018 #28
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