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In reply to the discussion: March 25 good news: 84 percent of the world population has faith........ [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)138. Cite your source please.
First, my answer is that yes, technology is exactly that when it is unchecked by morality and ethics, both of which were framed in religious societies
Here's the definition of technology:
the application of scientific knowledge for practical purposes, especially in industry.
"advances in computer technology"
machinery and equipment developed from the application of scientific knowledge.
the branch of knowledge dealing with engineering or applied sciences.
"advances in computer technology"
machinery and equipment developed from the application of scientific knowledge.
the branch of knowledge dealing with engineering or applied sciences.
Please point out the part where it says it's an ideology or provide another definition from a reliable source.
Also if you could show me where followers of this nonexistent ideology used its nonexistent dogma to persecute others that would be great, thanks. Because we can clearly see that religious dogma has been used to persecute others for thousands of years.
And if I recall correctly religion was often used to block scientific and technological advances. They certainly persecuted and killed plenty of scientists.
Second, if that is not generalizing (implying a relationship between oppressing and murdering and the billions who practice an ideology), than I can't imagine what is.
It's not generalizing to state that a holy book has been used by religious people to oppress and kill others when excerpts from that holy book are cited as the reason why religious people killed and oppressed.
Let's look at those passages again:
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life. Leviticus 25:446
You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life. Leviticus 25:446
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
If a man commits adultery with another mans wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
A priests daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21: 9 NAB)
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
...everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Are you actually claiming that religion in general and those passages in particular haven't been used to oppress and kill people? Seriously?
Also if your "tiring" of my arguments, then you can take your supercilious attitude and walk away from the discussion.
Why would I do that when I'm obviously winning this debate and also using it as a teaching opportunity? I'm thoroughly enjoying this and I'm quite good at it as you can see. I also don't resort to ad homs - that's a fallacy the losing side often employs when they can't refute the winning side's points.
And didn't you already say you were done a while ago?
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March 25 good news: 84 percent of the world population has faith........ [View all]
guillaumeb
Mar 2017
OP
Oh I think we can do better. For instance wasn't the first slave ship named after Jesus?
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#8
I thought about that too but for eight years we made it clear we weren't in a holy war with Islam.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#16
Except religious abolitionists went against their own holy book when they opposed slavery.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#18
If that was such an important concept why did so many Christians support slavery?
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#57
Yes - but again said atheists aren't citing a holy book to support those positions.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#61
Really? Quoting the bible is "attacking faith" and stating facts is "stereotyping" people?
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#111
Most Christians do not take everything in the Bible literally or apply ancient laws to modern life..
HopeAgain
Mar 2017
#113
Again - not a straw man since you suggested there were different interpretations.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#144
Interesting. I googled your religious "scholar" and it appears I was correct.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#145
This isn't about belief, it's about facts and history -apologists distort both to pimp their agenda.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#152
The point is that people justify what they do by saying that they are following a code of behavior.
guillaumeb
Mar 2017
#26
That's a fairly audacious deployment of snark given how egregiously wrong you are.
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2017
#99
Straw man. Please show me where I discussed and/or determined their motivation.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#47
False equivalency. There is no holy book instructing atheists to enslave, torture and murder people.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#59
And I focus on religion's victims because they're often ignored when people discuss the good news.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#64
In my reading, "hell" is short for "sheol." Which stood for the underground.
Bretton Garcia
Apr 2017
#164
Good news? Religion has been the cause of murder, torture, wars, oppression
The Velveteen Ocelot
Mar 2017
#51
There is oppression being committed by the nominally atheistic rulers in Russia.
guillaumeb
Mar 2017
#68
False equivalency. They may BE atheists but they don't do it in the name of atheism.
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#71
Well, I'm not a mind reader, but I see no reason to think, for the additional reasons I outlined,
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#92
You should keep up - Putin and the ROC are responsible for oppressing lgbt people in Russia.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#115
It's proof that religious leaders are responsible for anti-lgbt discrimination in Russia.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#126
Does the Pope go to interfaith services claiming to be a devout Jew or Muslim?
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2017
#130
No they're proof that both men pray and accept communion just like other theists.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#131