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In reply to the discussion: March 25 good news: 84 percent of the world population has faith........ [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)115. You should keep up - Putin and the ROC are responsible for oppressing lgbt people in Russia.
And atheists in this country aren't the ones trying to export those particular 'family values' :
How Russia Became the Leader of the Global Christian Right
While the U.S. passed gay-rights laws, Moscow moved hard the other way.
By CASEY MICHEL February 09, 2017
Shortly after the summits close, Putin announced plans to return to the presidency, supplanting then-President Dmitry Medvedev. Buffeted by a flat economy, Putin shored up his support by tacking to a nativist, nationalistand resentfulbase. In the first 18 months after his return to the presidency in 2012, Putin corralled protesters, smothered many of the remaining independent media outlets, and dissolved the distance between the Kremlin and the hierarchy of the Russian Orthodox Church. All of his moves pointed toward a hard-right shift in outlookto a return to Tsar Nicholas Is triumvirate of Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality.
Americas Christian fundamentalists followed Putins moves with gleeall the more after then-President Barack Obama earned a second term, and same-sex rights charged forward. In 2013, Moscow pushed an anti-propaganda law specifically targeting the countrys beleaguered LGBT population. Despite widespread condemnation throughout the West, members of Americas Religious Right tripped over themselves in supporting the Kremlin. Likewise, as a Daily Beast report found, the anti-propaganda law, like the anti-abortion measures before it, didnt arise in some kind of retrograde ether, but had emerged from a years-long, carefully crafted campaign to influence governments to adopt a Christian-Right legal frameworkstemming from the efforts of both American and Russian WCF officials who had successfully disseminated a U.S.-born culture war thats wreaking havoc on women and queer folks all around the world. Even Moscows ban on Americans adopting Russian children that year managed to gain support within the U.S.s far right, with Christian fundamentalists praising Putins move as preventing children from living with same-sex parents.
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After all, its not as if its difficult to unearth the fundamentalists fawning over Putins putative turn toward God. For instance, according to Bryan Fischer, who until 2015 was a spokesman for the American Family Association, Putin is the lion of Christianity. Evangelical Franklin Graham has likewise lauded Putin as someone protecting traditional Christianity, while Buchanan only continues praising Putin. Even recent frictionssee: Russias recent legislation against non-Orthodox proselytizinghave hardly dampened US fundamentalists newfound fervor for Moscow. And if Trump decides to deprioritize rolling back same-sex or abortion rights, the U.S. far right will look to Moscow even further support, ensconcing the Kremlins position that much more.
We might not know, per Buchanans early questions, whose side God is on. But those in Russia are happy to return the support from Americas radical Christian extremistsand clutch the mantle of Christian fundamentalist leadership as long as they can, even after Trumps election. Theyre using the history of anti-communism as a means of making a point, Stroop told me. Theyre saying: We survived communism, and so we know how to resist it. And theyre playing right into this whole script, which is a Cold War script, that communism and secularism are the same thing.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/how-russia-became-a-leader-of-the-worldwide-christian-right-214755
While the U.S. passed gay-rights laws, Moscow moved hard the other way.
By CASEY MICHEL February 09, 2017
Shortly after the summits close, Putin announced plans to return to the presidency, supplanting then-President Dmitry Medvedev. Buffeted by a flat economy, Putin shored up his support by tacking to a nativist, nationalistand resentfulbase. In the first 18 months after his return to the presidency in 2012, Putin corralled protesters, smothered many of the remaining independent media outlets, and dissolved the distance between the Kremlin and the hierarchy of the Russian Orthodox Church. All of his moves pointed toward a hard-right shift in outlookto a return to Tsar Nicholas Is triumvirate of Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality.
Americas Christian fundamentalists followed Putins moves with gleeall the more after then-President Barack Obama earned a second term, and same-sex rights charged forward. In 2013, Moscow pushed an anti-propaganda law specifically targeting the countrys beleaguered LGBT population. Despite widespread condemnation throughout the West, members of Americas Religious Right tripped over themselves in supporting the Kremlin. Likewise, as a Daily Beast report found, the anti-propaganda law, like the anti-abortion measures before it, didnt arise in some kind of retrograde ether, but had emerged from a years-long, carefully crafted campaign to influence governments to adopt a Christian-Right legal frameworkstemming from the efforts of both American and Russian WCF officials who had successfully disseminated a U.S.-born culture war thats wreaking havoc on women and queer folks all around the world. Even Moscows ban on Americans adopting Russian children that year managed to gain support within the U.S.s far right, with Christian fundamentalists praising Putins move as preventing children from living with same-sex parents.
***
After all, its not as if its difficult to unearth the fundamentalists fawning over Putins putative turn toward God. For instance, according to Bryan Fischer, who until 2015 was a spokesman for the American Family Association, Putin is the lion of Christianity. Evangelical Franklin Graham has likewise lauded Putin as someone protecting traditional Christianity, while Buchanan only continues praising Putin. Even recent frictionssee: Russias recent legislation against non-Orthodox proselytizinghave hardly dampened US fundamentalists newfound fervor for Moscow. And if Trump decides to deprioritize rolling back same-sex or abortion rights, the U.S. far right will look to Moscow even further support, ensconcing the Kremlins position that much more.
We might not know, per Buchanans early questions, whose side God is on. But those in Russia are happy to return the support from Americas radical Christian extremistsand clutch the mantle of Christian fundamentalist leadership as long as they can, even after Trumps election. Theyre using the history of anti-communism as a means of making a point, Stroop told me. Theyre saying: We survived communism, and so we know how to resist it. And theyre playing right into this whole script, which is a Cold War script, that communism and secularism are the same thing.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/how-russia-became-a-leader-of-the-worldwide-christian-right-214755
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March 25 good news: 84 percent of the world population has faith........ [View all]
guillaumeb
Mar 2017
OP
Oh I think we can do better. For instance wasn't the first slave ship named after Jesus?
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#8
I thought about that too but for eight years we made it clear we weren't in a holy war with Islam.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#16
Except religious abolitionists went against their own holy book when they opposed slavery.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#18
If that was such an important concept why did so many Christians support slavery?
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#57
Yes - but again said atheists aren't citing a holy book to support those positions.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#61
Really? Quoting the bible is "attacking faith" and stating facts is "stereotyping" people?
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#111
Most Christians do not take everything in the Bible literally or apply ancient laws to modern life..
HopeAgain
Mar 2017
#113
Again - not a straw man since you suggested there were different interpretations.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#144
Interesting. I googled your religious "scholar" and it appears I was correct.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#145
This isn't about belief, it's about facts and history -apologists distort both to pimp their agenda.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#152
The point is that people justify what they do by saying that they are following a code of behavior.
guillaumeb
Mar 2017
#26
That's a fairly audacious deployment of snark given how egregiously wrong you are.
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2017
#99
Straw man. Please show me where I discussed and/or determined their motivation.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#47
False equivalency. There is no holy book instructing atheists to enslave, torture and murder people.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#59
And I focus on religion's victims because they're often ignored when people discuss the good news.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#64
In my reading, "hell" is short for "sheol." Which stood for the underground.
Bretton Garcia
Apr 2017
#164
Good news? Religion has been the cause of murder, torture, wars, oppression
The Velveteen Ocelot
Mar 2017
#51
There is oppression being committed by the nominally atheistic rulers in Russia.
guillaumeb
Mar 2017
#68
False equivalency. They may BE atheists but they don't do it in the name of atheism.
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#71
Well, I'm not a mind reader, but I see no reason to think, for the additional reasons I outlined,
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2017
#92
You should keep up - Putin and the ROC are responsible for oppressing lgbt people in Russia.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#115
It's proof that religious leaders are responsible for anti-lgbt discrimination in Russia.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#126
Does the Pope go to interfaith services claiming to be a devout Jew or Muslim?
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2017
#130
No they're proof that both men pray and accept communion just like other theists.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#131