Religion

rug

(82,333 posts)

29. It's been part of Tradition going way back.

Fri Feb 3, 2017, 01:26 PM

Feb 2017

Here's the official history and definition:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm

There may have been a strategic or political reason for declaring it dogma in 1854 (e.g., the doctrine of papal infallibility in 1870 was announced as Rome was surrounded at the end of the Risorgimento) but it has ancient roots.

Personally, I find much of Mariology to be unnecessary and overreaching.

If you really want to flip out, look up "Co-Redemptorix". A lot of conservative Catholics have been pushing this, with no success to date.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-Redemptrix

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

73 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Nun receives death threats for suggesting Mary was not a virgin [View all] Eugene Feb 2017 OP

Only Catholics believe that Mary remained a virgin Sanity Claws Feb 2017 #1

The Orthodox do as well. rug Feb 2017 #4

Wow, humans in general have this hang up with sex. Doreen Feb 2017 #2

They think they are defending the faith by threatening to kill - makes sense! Doodley Feb 2017 #3

She's protected. rug Feb 2017 #5

Sister Albertine could hit Anyone with an eraser at 60 feet. irisblue Feb 2017 #9

The Guardian seems to have chosen to describe it as Mary not being a virgin, rather than Mary braddy Feb 2017 #6

The subtitle talks about "perpetual virginity", and calls him 'husband', not 'fiance' muriel_volestrangler Feb 2017 #46

Jesus had brothers. rickford66 Feb 2017 #7

Here: rug Feb 2017 #10

Visions of the BVM at Lourdes... ymetca Feb 2017 #8

You're muddling the doctrine of the Assumption with the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. rug Feb 2017 #12

I sit humiliated ymetca Feb 2017 #14

Simply, if Mary was born without sin, she was born without death. rug Feb 2017 #19

But wasn't that dogma ymetca Feb 2017 #27

It's been part of Tradition going way back. rug Feb 2017 #29

Yeah, I also like the alternative script ymetca Feb 2017 #33

There is a Gnostic Gospel of Judas that is sympathetic to him. rug Feb 2017 #37

There's something about chosen suffering ymetca Feb 2017 #38

Great song. rug Feb 2017 #42

But "The Mother of God" she is often called. Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #22

Sort of like "The One That Got Away" ymetca Feb 2017 #30

Probably used by the Church to co-opt pagan godesses Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #50

It simply she means she was the mother of Jesus, who is God the Son. rug Feb 2017 #52

The Church, Nestor, propounded this. But? Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #55

No, that's backwards. rug Feb 2017 #56

Yes, Nestorius was rejected by hypostaticists Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #59

I have heard that the church also promotes that Mary's mother was also a virgin Angry Dragon Feb 2017 #11

That's incorrect. rug Feb 2017 #13

NO............I did hear that on a Catholic Forum Angry Dragon Feb 2017 #15

Well . . . . if Mary's mother was a virgin, there'd be no Mary. rug Feb 2017 #18

If Mary was a virgin then no Jesus Angry Dragon Feb 2017 #62

Incorrect. rug Feb 2017 #63

Is it not taught that god impregnated Mary?? Angry Dragon Feb 2017 #64

Not impregnated in the conventional sense. rug Feb 2017 #65

It seems you have drawn a circle Angry Dragon Feb 2017 #66

Do you understand the difference between a thing and the description of a thing? rug Feb 2017 #67

To answer your last question: Angry Dragon Feb 2017 #68

You can understand why it does not or can not exist. rug Feb 2017 #69

A long time ago there were people that wanted me to be a pastor Angry Dragon Feb 2017 #70

"The fact of uncertainty, the uncertainty of facts and the cultural resonance of doubt" rug Feb 2017 #71

Seems like there is enough doubt for everyone Angry Dragon Feb 2017 #72

The real god of the Universe is this snooper2 Feb 2017 #73

That is not a part of Catholic doctrine. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #20

Words matter. And the meaning of words also matters. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #16

A thousand contradictory details suggest the main message is bad, too. Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #23

An interesting, if unsupported, assertion on your part. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #34

Since you first mentioned the essential message... Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #43

Well, you actually talked of "the main message". guillaumeb Feb 2017 #44

I don't believe she remained a virgin. I have no issue with people believing she did. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #17

Religion: the reason why the reaction to this is anything other than... trotsky Feb 2017 #21

So Joseph was not cuckolded by God? Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #24

Messiah Interruptus. rug Feb 2017 #31

Comedy gold...I mean...really? Fix The Stupid Feb 2017 #25

You seem incensed at the notion of a god. rug Feb 2017 #32

Physician, heal thyself. eom guillaumeb Feb 2017 #35

You ymetca Feb 2017 #39

"Are people really debating whether an imaginary woman from 2000 years ago got fucked or not???" trotsky Feb 2017 #40

Trash thread is an option if you don't like or can't handle the debate. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #41

Why trash comedy gold? Iggo Feb 2017 #45

Enjoy! hrmjustin Feb 2017 #49

It is 2017 !!!!!!!!!!!! SamKnause Feb 2017 #26

mythical, yes ymetca Feb 2017 #28

And yet you clicked on it, and read it, and felt compelled to respond. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #36

Would you never read or reply to a thread about death threats about myths? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2017 #47

Rama's bridge was NOT built by Rama? guillaumeb Feb 2017 #48

Death threats? Let me guess, they were made by devout Catholics still_one Feb 2017 #51

Show me. rug Feb 2017 #53

rug you may have misinterpreted my post. What I was saying is I wouldn't be surprised if it was still_one Feb 2017 #54

I probably did. rug Feb 2017 #57

I agree still_one Feb 2017 #58

That's a really, really good guess. Iggo Feb 2017 #60

Those that are involved in that kind of hatred think they are devout Catholics, but really aren't still_one Feb 2017 #61