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In reply to the discussion: Nun receives death threats for suggesting Mary was not a virgin [View all]guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)16. Words matter. And the meaning of words also matters.
The word almah (used in Isaiah) is rareusually translated as maiden it appears only ten times in the Hebrew Scriptures, six of these in the plural and four in the singular.
In the few verses where almah appears, the word clearly denotes a young woman who is not married but is of marriageable age. Although almah does not implicitly denote virginity, it is never used in the Scriptures to describe a young, presently married woman. It is important to remember that in the Bible, a young Jewish woman of marriageable age was presumed to be chaste.
The prophet could have chosen a different word had he wanted to describe Immanuels mother as a virgin. Betulah is a more common way to refer to a woman who has never been with a man (both in biblical and modern Hebrew).
In the few verses where almah appears, the word clearly denotes a young woman who is not married but is of marriageable age. Although almah does not implicitly denote virginity, it is never used in the Scriptures to describe a young, presently married woman. It is important to remember that in the Bible, a young Jewish woman of marriageable age was presumed to be chaste.
The prophet could have chosen a different word had he wanted to describe Immanuels mother as a virgin. Betulah is a more common way to refer to a woman who has never been with a man (both in biblical and modern Hebrew).
https://jewsforjesus.org/issues-v09-n01/almah-virgin-or-young-maiden
So if the Prophet Isaiah was referring to the mother of the Messiah as a maiden, that could refer to her status pre-marriage.
And in the Gospels, the earliest Gospel is that of Mark, which has no claim of virgin birth.
Over 2 thousand years, there have been a number of stories that contradict each other in details, yet the essential message, the message of Jesus, remains.
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The Guardian seems to have chosen to describe it as Mary not being a virgin, rather than Mary
braddy
Feb 2017
#6
The subtitle talks about "perpetual virginity", and calls him 'husband', not 'fiance'
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2017
#46
You're muddling the doctrine of the Assumption with the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception.
rug
Feb 2017
#12
I have heard that the church also promotes that Mary's mother was also a virgin
Angry Dragon
Feb 2017
#11
"The fact of uncertainty, the uncertainty of facts and the cultural resonance of doubt"
rug
Feb 2017
#71
I don't believe she remained a virgin. I have no issue with people believing she did.
hrmjustin
Feb 2017
#17
"Are people really debating whether an imaginary woman from 2000 years ago got fucked or not???"
trotsky
Feb 2017
#40
Would you never read or reply to a thread about death threats about myths?
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2017
#47