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In reply to the discussion: True or false: religious people are mentally ill purely by virtue of being religious? [View all]Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)24. The claim is not that religious people are mentally ill, but that religious beliefs are delusional.
They may or may not be symptomatic of other mental illnesses.
Another difficulty with the diagnosis of delusions is that almost all of these features can be found in "normal" beliefs. Many religious beliefs hold exactly the same features, yet are not universally considered delusional. These factors have led the psychiatrist Anthony David to note that "there is no acceptable (rather than accepted) definition of a delusion."[22] In practice, psychiatrists tend to diagnose a belief as delusional if it is either patently bizarre, causing significant distress, or excessively pre-occupying the patient, especially if the person is subsequently unswayed in belief by counter-evidence or reasonable arguments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion
As noted elsewhere, the DSM just makes this giant carve out for religious beliefs. The problem is that 'all of these features can be found in "normal" beliefs' where "normal" means "religious. So what are we to make of this?
It seems here we effectively vote on which religious delusions are normal enough to garner the outrage when noted that they are delusions, and then the others, those outside the majority view, are fair game for the dreaded label of "delusion".
My own view is that we are indoctrinated in delusional belief systems as children, those beliefs are reinforced by community peer pressure, and are thus, absurd and nonsensical as they are, considered "normal". Those of us raised outside this bubble of mass delusion look in on it with a mix of horror, amusement, incomprehension, and fascination. I can still remember when it dawned on me that people actually believed this stuff.
It is, again in my opinion, only a mental illness if one considers the sort of mass delusional behavior exhibited in for example totalitarian states "mental illness".
What would one consider Jonestown? Or Heaven's Gate? Or the Waco Koresh cult? Mental illness? Mass delusions? Normal behavior?
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True or false: religious people are mentally ill purely by virtue of being religious? [View all]
Htom Sirveaux
Aug 2014
OP
I would like a link to that study because I am going to say right now that it is utter bullshit.
cbayer
Aug 2014
#3
Here's a simple encylopedia intro to religion as "delusion," linking it to mental illness
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#80
Here's an article on why you should be very wary of using wikipedia as a source for religious topics
cbayer
Aug 2014
#81
Here's our latest professional psychological article linking Religion to Delusion
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#86
It's in "Evolution and Cognition," 2004, indexed in Academia.edu. It cites Freud and ...
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#90
Ah, Evolution and Cognition. The esteemed publication of the Konrad Lorenz Institute.
cbayer
Aug 2014
#95
Imagine that There is an Identifiable Group of Mentally Ill People with Religious Delusions
On the Road
Aug 2014
#130
And there are some who think if we challenge this we are showing our religious entitlement.
hrmjustin
Aug 2014
#21
If religiousness was indistinguishable from a heart attack you might have a point.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#28
Being ill is usually considered a negative, be it heart disease or a headache.
Starboard Tack
Aug 2014
#83
The claim is not that religious people are mentally ill, but that religious beliefs are delusional.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#24
We could be equally consistent by dropping the term delusional altogether.
Htom Sirveaux
Aug 2014
#25
I'm fine with delusion as a word to describe beliefs that are unsustainable but held with firm
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#27
nope delusional believes are held with firm conviction despite being unsustainable.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#42
No more so than other magical invisible beings, faeries or leprechauns for example.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#47
That analogy comes loaded with assumptions that presuppose your conclusion.
Htom Sirveaux
Aug 2014
#62
How can you be "fighting back" if you don't even know what you're "fighting back" against?
cleanhippie
Aug 2014
#99
Oh, yeah!! Some atheists get to call "religious people" mentally ill, delusional, stupid, ignorant,
CAG
Aug 2014
#31
That's true, in fact, most of those named are probably just faking it for votes...you'll see that
CAG
Aug 2014
#44
I don't know about all of those who voted yes but one of them posts all the time about this.
hrmjustin
Aug 2014
#36
"The purpose of psychiatry is to provide a convenient vocabulary for insulting people."
immoderate
Aug 2014
#64
And that is profoundly insulting to those that suffer with serious psychiatric illnesses
cbayer
Aug 2014
#79
Should people with mental illness be only positively reinforced? Told their illness is good?
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#92
spending vast amounts of time attacking strangers online strikes me as symptomatic
carolinayellowdog
Aug 2014
#71
Actually their supposed belief in religion is just one of the manifestations of their insanity....
DrewFlorida
Aug 2014
#106