Gun Control & RKBA

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63. Ma(c)chiavelli was not writing about modern firearms

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 04:15 AM

Nov 2012

He was writing about medieval weaponry.

You are trying to compare firearms with weapons that required skill and practice to apply deadly force in warfare. Yes, untrained people can use medieval weaponry to kill but effective use in war required extensive training; examine the laws that English kings put into force about the use of the longbow or the murder squads that Spartan youth became against the helots or the amount of time Romans were expected to attend the Field of Mars or the laws Gengis Khan enforced about hunting or the cruelties Chaka inflicted upon Zulu adolescents. On the other hand you are attempting to compare concepts with tools.

I can provide citations, could Justice Storey?

And petty nit-picking about spelling is further evidence of the paucity of your ideas. I didn't use the diphthong in mediæval either.

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