Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]jimmy the one
(2,775 posts)Hey guillaume; there are too many 2nd amendment mythology misconceptions & half truths on this thread, & I don't want to devote an hour or two just to have my replies to the misconceivers buried in the middle, so for better exposure I'm going to reply to your OP with the offender's names.
Eleanors: Even Alan Dershowitz, who favors repeal of the Second, concedes 2A acknowledges an individual right.
Dershowitz believes 2ndA originally was to protect an individuals right to own guns in militia; Dershowitz noted the Founding Fathers spoke of the nation maintaining a "well-regulated militia," .. "We have tried an experiment for the last 250 years and it's failed miserably and we have to start a new approach. The new approach has to be guns should not be available to people generally, except if they have a significant need.
..some dershowitz 2ndA quotes (dersh also defended oj simpson, boo dersh the money minded):
"Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right or that it's too much of a safety hazard...They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like."
Ha! there are 2 clauses + a conclusion in dershowitz' remark above. First clause 'Foolish liberals who are trying to read the {2ndA} out of the Constitution...' and Second '..by claiming it's not an individual right..', then his conclusion 'They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means..'
Dershowitz is not arguing above that 2ndA is an individual rkba. He is simply admonishing 'foolish liberals' for using the militia argument to make any headway in the gun control debate. He is advising liberals to avoid making the 'not an individual right' argument.
wiki: Dershowitz supports repealing the {2ndA}, but opposes the judicial system to read it out of the Constitution because it would open the way for further revisions to the Bill of Rights and Constitution.. "Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right or that it's too much of a public safety hazard don't see the danger in the big picture. They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like
dershowitz: Jul 27, 2015 What is needed is some very tough legislation both on the federal and state level to make it much, much harder to get guns and to create a presumption against gun ownership instead of a presumption in favor of gun ownership, consistent with the well-regulated militia language of the Second Amendment,"
".. if you want a gun you should have to go to official authorities in the govt, you should have to be able to justify your need for a gun on self-defense grounds or if you want to be a hunter.. you give it back when you finish hunting,"
"If I could write the Bill of Rights over again, I would skip amendment number two. We're the only country in the world that puts in our Constitution the right to bear arms. It's an absurd thing to be in our Constitution, but it's in our Constitution. http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/Alan-Dershowitz-Louisiana-Shooting-Trainwreck/2015/07/27/id/659156/
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