Gun Control & RKBA

beevul

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105. Never seen a better opportunity to put things into perspective.

Tue Mar 25, 2014, 08:07 PM

Mar 2014

Never seen a better opportunity to put things into perspective.

"A website which tracks homicides from all causes in D.C."

If you you're genuinely interested in fixing a problem, rather than characterizing the problem to fit a solution you already have in mind, you look at the big picture.

The big picture is, that there are roughly 100 million gun owners in America and in possession of roughly 300 million guns, which fire over a billion rounds annually. The things you link, sure they identify that theres a problem, but the big picture shows it isn't the guns. If it was, we'd have 1000 times the gun related homicide/accidents we have now, at a minimum.

To deny that, is to deny reality, much like the anti-alcohol folks blaming the alcohol for the gang violence back in the 30s rather than laying it at the feet of prohibition where it correctly belonged. Cozy company for the reality deniers, that.

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The AMA opposes any law that bars doctors from having conversations about gun safety, do you agree? [View all] CreekDog Mar 2014 OP

I think doctors should not have any bans on any conversations with their patients. lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #1

+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #101

+100 nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #130

I support a law that bars doctors rrneck Mar 2014 #2

what are examples of lifestyle choices? CreekDog Mar 2014 #4

Weeeellllll, rrneck Mar 2014 #6

that's the only lifestyle choice you can think of? CreekDog Mar 2014 #7

No rrneck Mar 2014 #10

how many doctors do you know that would refuse to provide care to gun owners? CreekDog Mar 2014 #11

None, right now. But... MicaelS Mar 2014 #12

"None" --thank you for playing CreekDog Mar 2014 #14

Humans killed each other for thousands of years.. MicaelS Mar 2014 #17

you're changing the subject CreekDog Mar 2014 #18

Refusing treatment. Straw Man Mar 2014 #23

Yeah, but click on page 2. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #100

Do you think that doctors are a special class? Straw Man Mar 2014 #103

If she won't give him answers, he can't do his job. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #115

Not true at all. Straw Man Mar 2014 #132

You see offense where there is none. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #133

Refusal to treat is not offense? Straw Man Mar 2014 #135

It's not arrogance. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #136

Call it what you want. Straw Man Mar 2014 #137

I think the AAP's position on that amounts to the same position that the far right AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #138

Semantics, perhaps. Straw Man Mar 2014 #140

Safe storage is hardly 'gun control', when you suggest the individual do it. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #142

Perhaps you forgot ... Straw Man Mar 2014 #144

All alternatives under the heading of 'keep guns away from kids'. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #145

Questions? Straw Man Mar 2014 #148

We are using these words differently. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #149

I guess so. Straw Man Mar 2014 #150

Someone on DU might Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #27

That ethos no longer applies. MicaelS Mar 2014 #34

again.. dehumanization from us the supposed progressives SQUEE Mar 2014 #39

I think that's a sad commentary on pediatrics. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #58

I bet if a guy meanit Mar 2014 #52

None. rrneck Mar 2014 #21

Are you lacking in current events? ManiacJoe Mar 2014 #41

Some pediatricians have told anti-vaxxer parents that they will have to find another provider Tanuki Mar 2014 #19

No. rrneck Mar 2014 #20

Ha! Guns and ammunition are highly dangerous. Loudly Mar 2014 #28

The greatest sociteal pathogen rrneck Mar 2014 #29

An ideology which simply holds Loudly Mar 2014 #32

That right has existed since the beginning of time. rrneck Mar 2014 #35

Here. This is for you. Loudly Mar 2014 #67

Here, this is for you. rrneck Mar 2014 #70

A reality being imposed upon all of society to perpetuate the myth of a pretend "right." Loudly Mar 2014 #73

Horseshit. rrneck Mar 2014 #82

What do guns and ammunition have to do with nature? Loudly Mar 2014 #83

Because rrneck Mar 2014 #84

I think you've reached the end of your intellectual rope. uncommonlink Mar 2014 #87

If you're going to spread untruths, and expect not to be called on it, do it somewhere else. beevul Mar 2014 #92

Never seen a better opportunity to put things into perspective. beevul Mar 2014 #105

Translation: Guns are not responsible for gun deaths. Loudly Mar 2014 #108

Responsibility... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #109

And the weather is not responsible for my frozen nuts. Loudly Mar 2014 #110

I would say... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #111

It is if one believes in animism, as sharesunited/Loudly does... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #113

They certainly don't pull the trigger by themselves. beevul Mar 2014 #128

Do you have functional hands? Then you have "convenient means of depriving others... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #51

Good book. rrneck Mar 2014 #63

Not without getting blood all over yourself. Loudly Mar 2014 #66

Yet we have fewer murders today than back when it was "up close and personal" friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #112

Hooray for survivability. Loudly Mar 2014 #114

More like "Hooray for declining violent crime rates" friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #116

His decision-making process was obviously affected by how handy the gun was. Loudly Mar 2014 #117

No doubt the situation would have been better if dad hadn't had a gun friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #119

Thank you for not muddying the waters with some claim Loudly Mar 2014 #121

What 'pretend Constitutional "right"' might that be, Shares? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #122

Highly dangerous if used irresponsibly uncommonlink Mar 2014 #30

next we gun owners are to be labeled as untermenschen? SQUEE Mar 2014 #36

I oppose any ban on speech, but gejohnston Mar 2014 #3

but you talk about gun safety all the time and you don't have the medical background to talk CreekDog Mar 2014 #5

there are no medical aspects of gun safety gejohnston Mar 2014 #8

there are no medical aspects when a person is shot? CreekDog Mar 2014 #9

that's actually a different issue gejohnston Mar 2014 #13

so it's not a gun issue, it's a bullet issue? CreekDog Mar 2014 #15

no, gejohnston Mar 2014 #16

Perhaps the doctors could justhanginon Mar 2014 #22

which means? gejohnston Mar 2014 #24

are you saying the patient should infer where the bullet has come from? CreekDog Mar 2014 #26

Gun safety is about not getting shot. Straw Man Mar 2014 #25

so you're saying if someone gets shot by a gun, they shouldn't go to the hospital CreekDog Mar 2014 #45

Reading comprehension fail blueridge3210 Mar 2014 #57

Don't be ridiculous. And pay close attention to the word order. Straw Man Mar 2014 #59

No, it's that once someone is shot, the gun safety aspects become irrelevant. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2014 #71

speaking of your background, I'd like to ask whether you're a liberal or conservative CreekDog Mar 2014 #72

in a nutshell gejohnston Mar 2014 #74

you said you take each issue on its merits, but you don't actually post on other issues CreekDog Mar 2014 #76

you obviously didn't read the link gejohnston Mar 2014 #79

you just never have anything to add on any issue but guns CreekDog Mar 2014 #85

actually I do, gejohnston Mar 2014 #86

I'm just trying to understand you, you're saying that you're liberal and you post liberal things CreekDog Mar 2014 #89

actually, I am busy gejohnston Mar 2014 #90

post script gejohnston Mar 2014 #80

Aaaand there it is. SQUEE Mar 2014 #75

They're merely the latest self-appointed zampolit/witchfinder/inquisitor... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #118

Give out gun safety info to every parent HockeyMom Mar 2014 #31

I agree with you 100%. Straw Man Mar 2014 #40

Ya'll are so cute when you think you have a plan. SQUEE Mar 2014 #33

who is "you all"? CreekDog Mar 2014 #43

Dunno, maybe we can have a push poll.. SQUEE Mar 2014 #48

I realize that you're deeply offended when you're asked on DU what your political position is CreekDog Mar 2014 #56

Not offended, not even a little. SQUEE Mar 2014 #69

"Are you, or have you ever been, a communist". N/T beevul Mar 2014 #37

is a lame attempt to compare asking your opinion with McCarthyism CreekDog Mar 2014 #38

Yeah right. beevul Mar 2014 #62

Remember, they *have* to post here- the other group gets far less traffic friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #64

Meh...that group is nothing more than... beevul Mar 2014 #65

Odd you should bring up McCarthy, SQUEE Mar 2014 #91

and like McCarthy, I have ruined lives how? CreekDog Mar 2014 #96

Now you're only arguing about the degree... beevul Mar 2014 #97

I'll gladly stipulate that Creek Dog is no Joe McCarthy,... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #120

And I can't picture Creek Dog being a gejohnston Mar 2014 #129

it's interesting that of all the votes to support gag laws CreekDog Mar 2014 #42

I hope I don't sound like some Libertarian Party moonbat, but... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2014 #44

What I oppose is a Government mandate that Doctors report the content of those conversations SkatmanRoth Mar 2014 #46

. CreekDog Mar 2014 #47

As I expected, SQUEE Mar 2014 #49

Lying to your doctor is always a great plan. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #53

I don't think there should be any law barring doctors from asking about lifestyle, uncommonlink Mar 2014 #50

All this bullshit is about Obama's nominee for Surgeon General meanit Mar 2014 #54

Just an obsession with RKBA -- OP's favorite group. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #55

yes it is Duckhunter935 Mar 2014 #60

i got "schooled" in what? CreekDog Mar 2014 #78

looks like you got "schooled" in the thread below but you ran off CreekDog Mar 2014 #124

That sounds familiar. clffrdjk Mar 2014 #160

I'm a pediatric nurse practitioner... 3catwoman3 Mar 2014 #61

Its not paranoid if Token Republican Mar 2014 #141

Weird, I can't imagine my Dr. cares if I own one (nt) Inkfreak Mar 2014 #68

Just say No DustyJoe Mar 2014 #77

I can't imagine how the need to wear eye and ear protection when shooting would even come up Jgarrick Mar 2014 #81

I often discuss firearms and target shooting with my doctors and dentists. ... spin Mar 2014 #88

If they can ban this subject, they can ban abortion discussion by the same mechanism. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #93

excellent point Token Republican Mar 2014 #94

It's one of my case examples of Republican hypocrisy. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #95

Soulcrushing AtheistCrusader Token Republican Mar 2014 #99

No laws are required. beevul Mar 2014 #98

if I want firearm Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #102

Firearm experts are of little use AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #147

In the interest of the 1A, yes. There are numerous... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #104

4 people here CreekDog Mar 2014 #106

The Florida law... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #107

4 people here CreekDog Mar 2014 #134

Your OP... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #139

two of those answering that way have zero posts CreekDog Mar 2014 #143

Puzzling but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #151

what you want is not in keeping with the rules CreekDog Mar 2014 #152

How about this discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #153

no, how about you acknowledge the rules and stop trying to negotiate new ones? CreekDog Mar 2014 #155

Why don't you uphold the rules? oneshooter Mar 2014 #157

Maybe the gander... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #159

Thats going to leave a mark. N/T beevul Mar 2014 #161

Have a nice night discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #158

The AMA should oppose doctors who deny services to patients who don't want to talk about guns aikoaiko Mar 2014 #123

can you name one instance where that has happened? CreekDog Mar 2014 #125

Dr. Okonkwo in Ocala, FL aikoaiko Mar 2014 #126

You've asked that twice before, and were answered both times friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #127

Why? AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #146

wife went to the clinic and was asked this and told them littlewolf Mar 2014 #131

So, whose job should it have been to talk to the parents of this dead 2 year old? 3catwoman3 Mar 2014 #154

I see what you are saying gejohnston Mar 2014 #156