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20. In the face of withdrawals and inflation, it is riskier NOT to have a high equity allocation
Thu May 16, 2024, 11:30 AM
May 2024

This is from something I wrote about a year ago (all figures are average annualized returns).

What really matters as far as risk is the risk of running out of money in retirement in the face of withdrawals and inflation, and that risk is much higher for people who don't have any equities and only rely on "safe" fixed income investments, which don't even keep up with inflation.

Numerous simulations reported in the American Association of Individual Investors (AAII) Journal and elsewhere have shown that mixed equity-bond portfolios with a high concentration of equities (around 80%) does best in the face of withdrawals and inflation (a typical study is with a 4%/year withdrawal rate in the beginning and the dollar amount withdrawn increasing with inflation. But there are tons of simulations with varying assumptions). IOW its a bigger gamble not to be in the market. I don't wish to take that gamble. I don't wish the pension funds and insurance companies I rely on taking that gamble either.

Nothing holds up as well in the face of withdrawals and inflation than does equities, except perhaps real estate. In other words, it's an even bigger gamble to not have a sizable proportion in equities.



Over the past 20 years, it has grown 6.3710 fold, an average annual increase of 9.7%/year

Over the past 50 years, it has grown 131 fold, an average annual increase of 10.2%/year

and so on.

This is from the below link, which has the S&P 500 total return since the start of 1928. It also has similar for bonds, Treasury bills, and gold. These don't come close to matching the increase in equities.
http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/New_Home_Page/datafile/histretSP.html

I'm using the broad-based S&P 500 as a proxy for U.S. stocks overall. The S&P 500 is about 80-85% of the total U.S. stock market capitalization. The remainder -- midcaps and smallcaps -- have had an even better overall record. I use the S&P 500 because data about it going way back is easier to find than total U.S. stock market.

The above table is through the end of 2022, a very bad year for the stock market. If I updated it through the end of 2023, it would be even better (the S&P 500 had a total return of 26.1% in 2023).

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Consume! Obey! Voltaire2 May 2024 #1
Here we go, gab13by13 May 2024 #2
Because our current economy is based on consumer-spending, no_hypocrisy May 2024 #3
Manufacturing with exports also depends on consumers. Voltaire2 May 2024 #29
Rein in your spending? Aussie105 May 2024 #4
The public may feel this more than normal, more than the 1970s bucolic_frolic May 2024 #5
I don't think people being less wasteful... Think. Again. May 2024 #6
The entire system would need to be careful jimfields33 May 2024 #7
Yeah, irresponsible fund managers are always a problem. Think. Again. May 2024 #8
Then fix that. jimfields33 May 2024 #9
I've got a shovel... Omnipresent May 2024 #10
I'll help. jimfields33 May 2024 #13
Me? I'm not an elected official. Think. Again. May 2024 #12
Just generally. jimfields33 May 2024 #14
absolutely.... Think. Again. May 2024 #15
Absolutely agree. jimfields33 May 2024 #16
No safe havens - the bond market has done even worse in the last 3 years progree May 2024 #17
Putting retirement funds in stocks is too risky. Think. Again. May 2024 #18
In the face of withdrawals and inflation, it is riskier NOT to have a high equity allocation progree May 2024 #20
Interesting... Think. Again. May 2024 #22
"I guess the concern about a failing economy breaking people's retirement plans is wrong" progree May 2024 #23
I just believe that... Think. Again. May 2024 #24
Over the long run, equities are the safest investment by far in the face of withdrawals and inflation progree May 2024 #25
Cool, so the retirement funds the poster was worried about ARE safe. Think. Again. May 2024 #28
In the long run, his retirement funds are better off in equities than in fixed income progree May 2024 #32
Most people have very small retirement accounts. Voltaire2 May 2024 #19
"We're all players now!" dpibel May 2024 #30
Yup. We've been fully inculcated. Voltaire2 May 2024 #33
When Taylor Swift tickets snowybirdie May 2024 #11
And yet, the stock market hit a record high yesterday Scrivener7 May 2024 #21
Scr#w the experts Ritabert May 2024 #26
Oh. I guess we'll be back to living paycheck to paycheck. Silent Type May 2024 #27
Many good comments here. SarahD May 2024 #31
They are just now figuring that out? Warpy May 2024 #34
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