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jjewell

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4. So TheEuclideanOne, obviously...
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:00 AM
Jun 2013

you do not or cannot recognize or realize the import of the Verizon Document. One "rethinks" a stance of boredom by taking another look at the evidence and reconsidering the possible results. To do less leaves one not "bored" but ignorant or apathetic. Or both. Take your choice.

In case you hadn't noticed, besides informing Americans of the EXTENT of the ongoing spying, Snowden provided us with the Verizon Document. You are aware that there have been, in the past, at least 4 plaintiff lawsuits filed and WON against the NSA over it's spying programs, aren't you?

The problem has been, each case has gone to federal court on appeal, and then been thrown out due to plaintiff's lack of "standing", or some other some such technicality, and thus the programs themselves have never been reviewed for their constitutionality. The reason the plaintiff lacked "standing" was because the plaintiff couldn't PROVE he's been spied on by the NSA. And the reason plaintiff couldn't PROVE he'd been spied upon by the NSA, was because the spying orders were SECRET and Classified.

Thanks to Snowden's release of the Verizon Document, plaintiffs now have "standing" to sue the NSA in federal court. Thus the constitutionality of these spy programs will finally be tested, reviewed and adjudicated in federal court, possibly up to and by the SCOTUS.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." - Fourth Amendment

A ruling of unconstitutionality in federal court MAY put an end to this bullshit...

Here is a link to the Verizon Document, which provides plaintiff federal court "standing" for federal lawsuits against the NSA.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/06/verizon-telephone-data-court-order

Here is a link to the federal lawsuit filed by the ACLU against the NSA, which uses the Verizon Document as proof of standing, filed a few days ago...

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-files-lawsuit-challenging-constitutionality-nsa-phone-spying-program

You might also want to check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_v._NSA

I hope I didn't bore you...

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Superman and the NSA [View all] Britethorn Jun 2013 OP
So sorry Snowden bores you.. jjewell Jun 2013 #1
How does one rethink a stance that "they are bored"? TheEuclideanOne Jun 2013 #3
So TheEuclideanOne, obviously... jjewell Jun 2013 #4
Actually you did bore me. TheEuclideanOne Jun 2013 #7
I get it-- Americans are too mired in entertainment to care. n/t cprise Jun 2013 #2
Yup Britethorn Jun 2013 #5
And they're in love with the idea... cprise Jun 2013 #6
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