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cascadiance

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43. But we also must make sure that paper ballots aren't altered by third party before being entered...
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 02:59 PM
Oct 2014

... in to the system, or the audit will fail as well. That is why there needs to be scrutiny of who is handling ballots up until the time they are recorded and also ensure that process is observed before they are secured safely someplace away from anyone else too. Voters can watch how their ballots are being stored at voting booths, etc., whereas absentee ballots and vote by mail ballots are totally outside what the voter themselves can observe once they put their ballot in the mail or drop it off at a library, etc. We need people of all stripes watching the process (and perhaps cameras as well) to ensure that there isn't doctoring of the ballots. Now in these cases where they do try to alter ballots, the potential for individuals to get caught and punished are a lot higher, so hopefully we can put in place enough checks to have a heavy disincentive for them doing so.

Also, when altering ballots like this physically, the potential damage to larger amounts of vote counts is so much less that it is less likely to affect election outcomes than someone behind the scenes hacking the results after they've been tabulated, or hacking the machines that record the votes as well. Those people can damage the system with a lot less scrutiny than those doctoring paper ballots as those stupid women from Clackamas were caught doing. But they might have succeeded, without the proper camera monitoring that wasn't well put in place there, or without observers who noticed something was wrong then.

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But we must worry about that 1 illegal voter with more stringent voter id laws. liberal N proud Oct 2014 #1
Not to mention Dopers_Greed Oct 2014 #3
Intelligence Agencies billhicks76 Oct 2014 #34
not surprising heaven05 Oct 2014 #2
Elections need to be taken out of the hands of private corporations. Return to paper ballots. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #4
+1 sakabatou Oct 2014 #6
+1 SoapBox Oct 2014 #10
The companies who manufacture vote "counting" machines have preferred candidates, I am sure of it. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #30
Keeping election theft in the dark becomes deadly. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #41
I knew what could happen to my early vote as soon as I saw "Sequoia" on the machines in Chicago. ancianita Oct 2014 #5
The Democratic Party has elected to completely ignore the problem. Maedhros Oct 2014 #18
Really. I don't know one DU'er who accepts or ignores this. Sure you got your hand on the DU pulse? ancianita Oct 2014 #19
You posted yourself that this isn't getting the attention it deserves on DU. Maedhros Oct 2014 #20
That doesn't mean that I agree with your blanket judgment of either the party or DU. ancianita Oct 2014 #21
Personally, I think that a big chunk of DU Maedhros Oct 2014 #24
Where is a Willy T Poll when DU needs it! ancianita Oct 2014 #26
In other words, calibration problems, not vote-rigging brooklynite Oct 2014 #7
Bwhahahaha blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #31
Vote Flipping is Election Fraud not Voter Fraud Youdontwantthetruth Oct 2014 #8
The media has been successful in making "election fraud" and "voter fraud" synonymous KansDem Oct 2014 #12
The media has only been successful with the less intelligent. Youdontwantthetruth Oct 2014 #13
Paper ballots, hand counted, in public, cameras rolling, nothing less. Scuba Oct 2014 #9
+1000000000000 SoapBox Oct 2014 #11
And for those in Oregon and other Vote by Mail states, sign up to be an observer where they count... cascadiance Oct 2014 #29
Hopefully that loony woman in Clackamas County will lose the County Clerk job davidpdx Oct 2014 #35
The basic thing to remember here is that only PAPER ballots allow real auditing eridani Oct 2014 #36
But we also must make sure that paper ballots aren't altered by third party before being entered... cascadiance Oct 2014 #43
No surprises here, TBH. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #14
I said it before: this is why the GOP is so sure they are going to take the senate C Moon Oct 2014 #15
UGH. I can't bear to think about the sellout of the vote numbers at the highest state levels!! ancianita Oct 2014 #22
when the very accurate dotymed Oct 2014 #25
And we know how this will be reported ... meegbear Oct 2014 #16
It really pisses me off that R votes are flipping to D votes. MontyPow Oct 2014 #17
The really sad thing is ... it doesn't matter. ieoeja Oct 2014 #23
Which is what occurs to me every time I read one of these reports IDemo Oct 2014 #37
We have had a Demarcate heading the justice department for 5 1/2 yrs & still nothing has been done. awake Oct 2014 #27
"Demarcate" IDemo Oct 2014 #38
Dam auto correct I ended up misspelling Democrat awake Oct 2014 #40
States with paper ballot optiscan STILL NEED AN ADEQUATE AUDIT!!! TheNutcracker Oct 2014 #28
Democracy, flipped. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #32
A vote suppressing new ID law is in order! That'll fix it. In 20 years electronic voting still..... marble falls Oct 2014 #33
Where's Bev Harris when we need her? Prisoner_Number_Six Oct 2014 #39
here in NC we have had paper ballots for a good while littlewolf Oct 2014 #42
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