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JackRiddler

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15. The State Department supported the overthrow, yes.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:47 PM
Mar 2014

Tape Reveals State Department Officials Plotting Covert Intervention to Overthrow Government of Ukraine (Feb 20)

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/2/20/a_new_cold_war_ukraine_violence

My comment from Feb 20:

I'm glad someone has finally covered the real story in the leaked recording of Victoria Nuland, undersecretary at the State Department, discussing strategy for Ukraine with the ambassador at the U.S. embassy in Kiev. Only in the reality-show world of the mass media is it a story that Nuland in passing happened to say, "Fuck the E.U." (oooh, how terrible!).

It also matters little who released the tape, since its authenticity is not in dispute.

What the tape reveals is that Nuland and the ambassador are involved in the management of a covert intervention aimed at overthrowing Ukraine's democratically elected government. Without any prior public discussion or announcement of a U.S. government policy in the supposedly democratic United States, Nuland and Pyatt discuss how the U.S. government should

1) open a channel to the Ukrainian president to negotiate his resignation;

2) forestall efforts by one of the opposition leaders (Klitschko) to resolve the crisis in parliament by joining the government coalition;

3) get their preferred opposition leader (Yatsenyuk) into power; and

4) keep the opposition leaders they don't like (Klitschko, who is perhaps disliked because he is too German-influenced, and Tyahnybok, leader of the extreme right party supported by John McCain) outside power but in a stable alliance with Yatsenyuk.

In this unannounced, secret, hostile intervention to overthrow and replace the government of another country, the U.S. is expecting to have a say in the micromanagement of who sits in the new cabinet: "What [Yatsenyuk] needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week. You know, I just think Klitsch going in, he’s going to be at that level working for Yatsenyuk. It’s just not going to work."

Why the love for Yats, as Nuland calls him--whether she gives these nicknames condescendingly or familiarly is unclear. "I think Yats is the guy who’s got the economic experience," she says.

More importantly, when did any Ukrainians vote for Nuland and her CIA-infested State Department to play kingmakers for their country? When did any Americans even get to know let alone discuss this policy, which ultimately will be put down as having been pursued in their name, with their tax money?

In the same clip from Democracy Now!, Yats is shown, to his credit, admitting that he cannot control and has little idea of who is in charge at this point among the protesters battling the police on the street level.

(Note: That proved quite important, as extreme right parties took over key ministries in the new government, which on the day after the coup d'etat passed a law to abolish the status of the Russian language, triggering the Crimea crisis.)

I wish to emphasize that by posting this here, I take no position on the Ukrainian struggle. I am an American and a democrat and I am talking about my own government making secret policy on my behalf. I oppose that on principle.

I oppose it ten times over if this government policy involves--as it typically does--a mere handful of self-appointed geostrategists like Nuland using U.S. public resources to intervene covertly in faraway countries on the basis of whatever they imagine are legitimate U.S. interests.

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Doesn't matter if more symbolic than not. Sanctions make the point, especially if it hits the West 2 Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2014 #1
We punish Russia by mostly hurting ourselves? another_liberal Mar 2014 #2
It's better to spend a few dollars than a few pints of blood. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2014 #10
I'll grant you that! another_liberal Mar 2014 #16
No Particular Reason For It To Receive Great Play, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #3
The input of one of the most respected Senior Statesmen of the World . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #5
and what would you suggest we do, ignore the situation? lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #7
What would I do? another_liberal Mar 2014 #11
I am not as convinced as you that the west overthrew Yanukovich, and it was not the Ukrainians lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #18
Yanukovytch is not Russia's puppet cosmicone Mar 2014 #24
You are right . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #27
Unless the right wing view becoming NATO's new eastern frontier, cprise Mar 2014 #32
Yeah, except . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #35
That is the thing about actual diplomatic negotiations . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #26
He Is Not 'One Of the Most Respected Senior Statesmen Of The World' Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #9
Your opinion only . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #17
Thank You For the Laugh, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #19
Don't have any source at all to back up those slanders? another_liberal Mar 2014 #28
Linky Linky, Sir, Does Not Work When Soeone Tells You Fire Is Hot The Magistrate Mar 2014 #31
FWIW, Schroder has extensive business connections with the Russian energy sector. Ex Lurker Mar 2014 #4
Perhaps so . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #6
"western economic exploitation of Ukraine? and don't you think Russia is doing exploration of lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #8
Are you saying the United States overthrew the Yanukovich Presidency? Gore1FL Mar 2014 #12
The State Department supported the overthrow, yes. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #15
Well played. go west young man Mar 2014 #22
Great post. Thank you! n/t cosmicone Mar 2014 #25
I'd take issue only with your description of Victoria Nuland arewenotdemo Mar 2014 #37
Okay then, but then Obama is also self-appointed. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #38
Absolutely no argument from me. arewenotdemo Mar 2014 #39
FWIW, Schmidt is not Schröder JackRiddler Mar 2014 #13
Schroder was also referenced in the article nt Ex Lurker Mar 2014 #14
Respected former European leaders are now go west young man Mar 2014 #23
Thanks for that pesky detail, Ex Lurker. Cha Mar 2014 #34
Well, he definitely has a point about this never being Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #20
We should be talking to the Russians not trying to tell them what they have to do. another_liberal Mar 2014 #30
Sanctions rickyhall Mar 2014 #21
Quite true . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #29
The old guys tell it like it is jakeXT Mar 2014 #33
Another one - Egon Bahr soundsgreat Mar 2014 #36
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