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MADem

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115. Peter Boehmer is operating under old paradigms.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 04:50 PM
Mar 2014

The students aren't taking orders from the "opposition" (which, BTW, is not a unified entity, as the article seems to insinuate--it's a whole shitload of groups and they don't always agree on much of ANYTHING). The students are leading the charge--this is very reminiscent of the protests against the Vietnam war, in my view. Further, the guy being whined about, Capriles, took a back seat to Lopez over a week ago--and Lopez was then promptly JAILED.

So there's no "opposition" leaders directing people to the barricades. You can't even find photos of them, never mind a presence. This is an organic thing happening, and the more people try to pin it on political leaders, and suggest that they are to "blame" for the dissatisfaction, the more it's clear they don't have the bubble.

This isn't about "politics." It is about basics, as I have said repeatedly. Maduro is incompetent--he hasn't been able to do the job. Even the article you post as a "defense" acknowledges how fucked up the place is. And if you think people aren't going hungry, well, as long as there are mamey trees, they won't starve...but how long should children go without milk? How long should people who don't work for Maduro have to go without meat? And how long should they live in fear that their rationed items will be stolen from them as they try to make their way home, and they could even be killed for them? Before too long, they won't need toilet paper--the money they have will do.

Here's some light reading:

Student who lives with parents rises as leader in Venezuela's protests


Juan Requesens, a student leader, has leapt in recent weeks from campus politics to the swirling center of Venezuela’s worst unrest in a decade. A talent for public speaking has driven his rise, but perhaps just as appealing is that he is not one of the well-established opposition politicians Venezuelans already know.

In the past week, President Nicolás Maduro has repeatedly invited him to “peace” talks, but Requesens refuses, insisting that Maduro free jailed protesters and meet other preconditions first. Venezuela’s interior minister is publicly pressuring Requesens to go to the western state of Tachira, where the protests first erupted and barricades are blocking deliveries of food, to get students there to stand down.

Even opposition politicians have begun deferring to Requesens, saying they, too, will not meet with Maduro until the students go first.

With hundreds injured and at least 22 killed, including another student leader, Daniel Tinoco, who was shot Monday night in the western city of San Cristobal, it is a big load on the shoulders of Reque­sens.....Requesens said he prefers marches over barricades and wants to turn the student rebellion into a broader social movement capable of transcending Venezuela’s economic divides and winning over former Chávez supporters who are losing confidence in Maduro. In a country where political debates often devolve into name-calling, taunts and overheated rhetoric, student leaders sometimes sound more adult than elected officials do.


Venezuela's 'angry gochos': Why protests continue in western Venezuela


....in a region of Venezuela long considered an opposition stronghold, and known for experiencing some of the worst food shortages in the nation, heavy-handed attempts to clear the streets have only served to strengthen the protesters resolve. "Every barricade they tear down, we will rebuild,” says Jose Vicente García, a student leader and city councilman.

Using heavy machinery and armored cars, the National Guard plowed through the barricades of old sofas and broken down refrigerators, bags of trash and barbed wire. They have dispersed the mostly student demonstrators with tear gas and rubber bullets, and some civilian pro-government militias have used live rounds.

Even as protesters mourn the death of Daniel Tinoco, who received a bullet wound to the chest Monday night, they began setting up new barricades at key intersections of the city today. “We will answer repression with more people on the streets,” Mr. García says.....locals say the protests are more about everyday life than party politics. Venezuelans have been suffering from the shortage of basic goods for several years, and the central bank's scarcity index shows that 1 in 4 basic goods were out of stock at any given time across the country in January this year. But that situation has long been more acute in Táchira.

...Protests initially sparked in Venezuela when university students here launched demonstrations last month demanding more security after the alleged attempted rape of one of their classmates. The anger swelled as government forces cracked down on protests, arresting demonstrators, and soon general uprisings against food shortages, spiraling inflation, and one of the world’s highest crime rates spread across the nation.
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So you see, it has gone far beyond the silly, bifurcated nonsense you read coming from ideologues on either "side" of this situation in VZ--it's just not about sides, anymore. It hasn't been since that assault on that student over a month ago.

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But at least Qatar opposes him, right? JackRiddler Mar 2014 #1
President Maduro does lead Venezuela's government, right? another_liberal Mar 2014 #3
"That is not information which could easily be found in the main stream American press" EX500rider Mar 2014 #26
+10 (nt) reACTIONary Mar 2014 #28
I will explore any news source which may tell me something I don't already know. another_liberal Mar 2014 #52
You need to be able to show the information is wrong, don't you? Do that, you're home free. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #57
No. i don't, i just need to show it is a toady blog... n/t EX500rider Mar 2014 #64
Until VZ fixes their economic crisis, I can't see how this will have a good ending hack89 Mar 2014 #2
I think it would also help . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #5
We haven't issued any serious ultimatums hack89 Mar 2014 #7
Ultimatum may have been too strong. another_liberal Mar 2014 #8
I must have missed that particular warning hack89 Mar 2014 #11
No he/she does not since no such thing was issued. n/t EX500rider Mar 2014 #23
We have warned the government of Venezuela not to harm protesters . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #56
With clowns like Marco Rubio, and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Florida right-wing Cubans steering the ship, Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #59
That is odd. another_liberal Mar 2014 #79
So in other words...no threat of sanctions. n/t EX500rider Mar 2014 #65
Did you go to those links. another_liberal Mar 2014 #78
No one has issued sanctions. MADem Mar 2014 #38
The only sanctions being mentioned are travel restrictions smokey775 Mar 2014 #42
So how does he do that? daleo Mar 2014 #40
A good first step is to be honest to the public hack89 Mar 2014 #68
I guess our governments should do the same daleo Mar 2014 #77
Not sure. Stemming the outflow of dollars is problem number one hack89 Mar 2014 #83
Those all sound like reasonable suggestions daleo Mar 2014 #96
"The OAS majority is clearly behind Maduro's government" bemildred Mar 2014 #4
Ukraine is more than a full plate, yes. another_liberal Mar 2014 #6
Iraq is part of a regional war now, I think. There are two power blocks at war for control. bemildred Mar 2014 #10
The students are not giving up. A military beat-down will not have the desired effect. MADem Mar 2014 #9
Those aren't students OKNancy Mar 2014 #13
I have to say, I have gotten a real kick out of the creativity of many of the demonstrators. MADem Mar 2014 #16
No, they're paid by the Koch brothers! 7962 Mar 2014 #46
No, I heard it was really the Illuminati, working COLGATE4 Mar 2014 #70
There is something wrong with that picture. happyslug Mar 2014 #94
No offense, but that's both lame and racist. MADem Mar 2014 #98
One of the comments about the "sides" in Venezuela is it is both class and race driven happyslug Mar 2014 #99
The point that is escaping your notice is that the poor--and the brown, and the black--are on the MADem Mar 2014 #100
Not according to articles I have been reading... happyslug Mar 2014 #102
This is an article to read. It's outstanding. Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #104
putin lovers. Israel haters. etc. reddread Mar 2014 #106
Is that an attack on my cite or supportive of the cite??? Your comments are unclear. happyslug Mar 2014 #117
totally forgot the sarcasm tag reddread Mar 2014 #119
Peter Boehmer is operating under old paradigms. MADem Mar 2014 #115
Those photos appears to be from Tachira happyslug Mar 2014 #122
Look, you are free to peruse the archives of Anonymous VZ yourself. MADem Mar 2014 #123
I think you're comparing two different indicators ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #103
Just let maduro run the country completely into the ground; finishing Chavez' work. 7962 Mar 2014 #12
What's really sad is that we have DUers doing Charles Koch's work for him. denverbill Mar 2014 #14
Replace the name "Koch" with any other; dont you think they'd also be upset at losing a billion $? 7962 Mar 2014 #19
"Of course, lord knows Charles Koch would never fund a 'grassroots' right-wing movement" EX500rider Mar 2014 #24
It seems you get your news about US involvement MyNameGoesHere Mar 2014 #15
Info from years ago doesnt change what Maduro actually DOES and the decisions he makes. 7962 Mar 2014 #17
There are many in VZ who truly don't give a shit about "regime change." MADem Mar 2014 #18
They just want competent governance <- THIS! (nt) reACTIONary Mar 2014 #33
That is what unites all of the people who are engaging in protest. MADem Mar 2014 #35
Yes, but we've got a certain segment here that vehemently refuse to accept smokey775 Mar 2014 #43
I'd love to send these champions to VZ to live for a bit. MADem Mar 2014 #44
I doubt a couple of people here would change their minds, smokey775 Mar 2014 #45
Once they started talking to people, they'd figure it out. MADem Mar 2014 #47
I totally agree, smokey775 Mar 2014 #50
There's some great music coming out of this imbroglio, at any rate. MADem Mar 2014 #67
they run out of toilet paper? What a joke. <- THIS! (nt) reACTIONary Mar 2014 #29
can someone explain this? maindawg Mar 2014 #20
Pretty much. bemildred Mar 2014 #21
Maduro hasn't paid his bills. He can't get lines of credit anymore. MADem Mar 2014 #37
Were Those of You Who Support the Venezuelan . . FairWinds Mar 2014 #22
If the US couldn't keep the lights on or food on the shelves I suspect we would... EX500rider Mar 2014 #25
There's no doubt in my mind that if the same conditions existed in the US as in smokey775 Mar 2014 #27
+10 (nt) reACTIONary Mar 2014 #30
What was OCCUPY protesting in Oakland? Does anyone know? I sure don't. MADem Mar 2014 #39
the cure for willful ignorance reddread Mar 2014 #75
You're the one who is confused. MADem Mar 2014 #85
that kid reddread Mar 2014 #86
Keep changing the subject. It's very plain what you are doing. MADem Mar 2014 #88
No reason to be that derrogatory toward hypocrites! n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #97
Ah, you might want to look in that mirror (and learn to spell, too, while you're at it). nt MADem Mar 2014 #101
the very last refuge. n/t reddread Mar 2014 #105
No, the last refuge is tossing sad little personal insult farts, like 'hypocrites.' MADem Mar 2014 #107
given the power of comprehension reddread Mar 2014 #109
Don't jump in the convo if you don't wanna play, capisce? MADem Mar 2014 #112
more cowbell reddread Mar 2014 #113
This is probably more to the point.... MADem Mar 2014 #116
Make up your mind. Can't both look in the mirror & learn to spell Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #110
Sure you can. What, you can't walk and chew gum at the same time? MADem Mar 2014 #118
It's the same situation in Venezuela. joshcryer Mar 2014 #76
Yes, I've recommended that VICE four parter to many here--it doesn't fit the MADem Mar 2014 #84
I was. joshcryer Mar 2014 #74
Beware of sanitized news Seer Mar 2014 #31
Well gosh she sounds pretty impartial........NOT EX500rider Mar 2014 #32
Welcome to DU, and thanks for... reACTIONary Mar 2014 #71
Gee, welcome to DU. MADem Mar 2014 #36
I'm not sure how much the US has spent... reACTIONary Mar 2014 #73
Exactly. Thanks. Zorra Mar 2014 #89
Welcome to DU! Zorra Mar 2014 #90
Read the entire article from last month - things just may not be how you think they are Hestia Mar 2014 #34
Good information. another_liberal Mar 2014 #58
The truth really hurts US fascists. That's why they make so much noise trying to divert attention. Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #60
Just because it took a long time to find it doesnt make it accurate. 7962 Mar 2014 #95
"The truth really hurts US fascists." EX500rider Mar 2014 #120
this was well cited stuff NuttyFluffers Mar 2014 #92
Gotta give it to you, smokey775 Mar 2014 #93
I am pleased with the Venezuelan government's reaction to these fascists. Mag238 Mar 2014 #41
This is worthy of a smokey775 Mar 2014 #49
looking for dooms repetition? such a sad line of work. reddread Mar 2014 #51
This ain't Chile and this ain't 1998. smokey775 Mar 2014 #53
youre kiddin? reddread Mar 2014 #54
Chile? 1998? Venezuela? smokey775 Mar 2014 #55
you sound like a bad joke reddread Mar 2014 #62
And you sound like a broken record. smokey775 Mar 2014 #63
16 years ago? AND FOR THE WIN! reddread Mar 2014 #66
The CIA promised, after overthrowing that government so successfully, so slickly, Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #61
Yes, fortunately . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #82
You're pleased that they murdered two more unarmed students over the last couple of days? MADem Mar 2014 #108
How delusional would one have to be to address someone who's gone? Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #111
Didn't realize the person was gone until AFTER I posted--but thanks for that "genuine" concern you MADem Mar 2014 #114
"make the economy scream" reddread Mar 2014 #48
I have deja vu also. Archae Mar 2014 #69
Same as happened in Egypt more recently. another_liberal Mar 2014 #81
This is new. Maduro is making the wrong moves. joshcryer Mar 2014 #72
It appears he is not going to sign a peace agreement . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #80
It appears he's enflaming a situation that would go away. joshcryer Mar 2014 #87
I do hope that is an example of sarcasm? another_liberal Mar 2014 #91
February Traumas: The Third Insurrectionary Moment of the Venezuelan Right Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #121
Well, it's March. And those students are not "Chavista" and they are not "MUD." MADem Mar 2014 #124
Thank you for this link . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #125
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