Witkoff Advised Russia on How to Pitch Ukraine Plan to Trump

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11. To fill out the picture, here's a Bloomberg transcript of a second call,

this time between Dmitriev and Ushakov:

Ushakov: Hallo.

Dmitriev: Yuri Viktorovich.

Ushakov: Yes, Kirill Aleksandrovich, well, I’ve sent everything there. We’ll talk tomorrow.

Dmitriev: Well, great, great. Yes, yes, yes. I flew to Saudi Arabia. But it seems to me it’s very important, because it’s a really good way forward.

Ushakov: Well, we need the maximum, don’t you think? What do you think? Otherwise, what’s the point of passing anything on?

Dmitriev: No, look. I think we’ll just make this paper from our position, and I’ll informally pass it along, making it clear that it’s all informal. And let them do like their own. But, I don’t think they’ll take exactly our version, but at least it’ll be as close to it as possible.

Ushakov: Well, that’s exactly the point. They might not take and say that it was agreed with us. That’s what I’m afraid of.

Dmitriev: No, no, no. I’ll say it exactly as you say it, word for word.

Ushakov: They might twist it later, that’s all. There is that risk. There is. Well, alright, never mind. We’ll see.

Dmitriev: Yeah, it seems to me you can talk later with Steve about this paper. We will do everything neatly.

Ushakov: [Unclear]

Dmitriev: Thank you so much, Yuri Viktorovich. Thank you so much, thank you. Goodbye

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