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Bernardo de La Paz

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15. You can't attack the message, so you attack the messenger by alleging corruption (self-interest)
Sat Oct 11, 2025, 08:49 AM
Oct 11

It wouldn't matter whether I was in AI stocks or not. But FYI, I am completely out of stocks since January. The market is too risky.

Further, I am considering shorting some AI and AI-adjacent stocks or running bear option strategies.

We are about to enter another AI Winter, but it is will be relatively brief (say three to five years) and relatively shallow (because the sector is so advanced). When I say it is advanced, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Currently the sector is having some success with Large Language Models but they require huge data centres and massive power supplies. That will be reduced and the capabilities will increase. AI of 2035 will be as different from now as smart phones of 2009 were different from flip phones of 1999.

There were two major AI "winters" approximately 1974–1980 and 1987–2000,[3] and several smaller episodes, including the following:

1966: failure of machine translation
1969: criticism of perceptrons (early, single-layer artificial neural networks)
1971–75: DARPA's frustration with the Speech Understanding Research program at Carnegie Mellon University
1973: large decrease in AI research in the United Kingdom in response to the Lighthill report
1973–74: DARPA's cutbacks to academic AI research in general
1987: collapse of the LISP machine market
1988: cancellation of new spending on AI by the Strategic Computing Initiative
1990s: many expert systems were abandoned
1990s: end of the Fifth Generation computer project's original goals

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Can we train AI EYESORE 9001 Oct 11 #1
Humans like money IronLionZion Oct 11 #19
I'm reminded of a story about capturing monkeys in the wild EYESORE 9001 Oct 11 #21
Who didn't see this coming? mwmisses4289 Oct 11 #2
They saw it coming OldBaldy1701E Oct 11 #4
Nonsense. They do care. It's money. It's a lot of money. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #8
They knew they were being crazy with their ideas about growth and income and damage caused, and they still did it. OldBaldy1701E Oct 11 #22
Sure, they knew what they were doing--making claims and asking for funding. Igel Oct 11 #36
Maybe it's time dweller Oct 11 #3
When AI can actually do something, I will applaud UpInArms Oct 11 #5
"Until cars have rear view cameras they are just toys. Only good to play with." Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #6
This conversation illuminates why it's hard to predict winners and losers. yardwork Oct 11 #13
Yes. You share a good perspective. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #18
Zuckerberg, Gates, and many other billionaires have been funding medical research. yardwork Oct 11 #20
The scientists who intuitively "know" how to use AI to make medical discoveries will be rare. hunter Oct 11 #34
It's much bigger than that. yardwork Oct 11 #43
The notion that humans are infinitely repairable machines is absurd. hunter Oct 11 #63
Those are all very good points. yardwork Oct 11 #69
Business loves AI for one reason customerserviceguy Oct 11 #50
Yes, "tireless huckster". But no, there are lots of reasons for AI that have nothing to do with prying. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #51
So, Robots. They're on the way. thought crime Oct 11 #70
6 fingered ai portraits and they think it's going to run the world? Do they know humans only have 5? Blues Heron Oct 11 #7
LOL..how many toes did Traitor Green have in that picture of her months back? Bengus81 Oct 11 #10
Maintain that attitude and you will be overtaken by events. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #11
Let me guess, you have ai stock Blues Heron Oct 11 #12
Anybody who has a retirement fund is invested in AI. yardwork Oct 11 #14
No wonder your into it. Divest now while you can, before the bubble bursts Blues Heron Oct 11 #16
Ok, that made me laugh. yardwork Oct 11 #17
And do what? Keep it in cash, losing value through inflation? Igel Oct 11 #39
As to the report, I've heard versions several times on CNBC and I think it is the truth Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #42
I've seen those same reports about AI buoying the U.S. economy. yardwork Oct 11 #44
And that's a problem. Many have no choice how their retirement is invested. AI company bubble bursts and bam Cheezoholic Oct 11 #26
Agreed. Human greed is a problem. yardwork Oct 11 #46
You can't attack the message, so you attack the messenger by alleging corruption (self-interest) Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #15
My little quibble: MrsCheaplaugh Oct 11 #25
Interesting Observation. delisen Oct 11 #28
It's my quibble too and it's not a little one. They are building these massive data centers everywhere and ratchiweenie Oct 11 #32
This massive use of power is a temporary phase. Ten / 20 years from now it won't use so much. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #38
There is push back on these big data centers Deminpenn Oct 11 #45
But at the heart of the matter is that with all of the bells and whistles moniss Oct 11 #37
Fine points, but I was refuting the simplistic idea that "garbage in garbage out" means that AI is useless. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #40
Understood and I agree that AI is not useless but moniss Oct 11 #47
You big tech guys going to ask Trump for a refund of the millions of $$ you foisted on him? Bengus81 Oct 11 #9
it should be. barbtries Oct 11 #23
Good. infullview Oct 11 #24
Quibble: delisen Oct 11 #30
Lazy doesn't include you. infullview Oct 11 #49
I hope, after the crash, AI focuses more on stuff like this. Oneironaut Oct 11 #71
Please. Let it be a hard, hard crash. hunter Oct 11 #27
It will be hard Pachamama Oct 11 #31
Email was going to be free forever too. bucolic_frolic Oct 11 #29
The economic terrorists are working to destroy the economy of California. . Clouds Passing Oct 11 #33
Nonsense. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #52
Just wait and see Clouds Passing Oct 11 #54
I'll wait and see about things that are explained and not simply eleven-word blurts. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #59
Call it following the path of past behavior. Educated guess. Doesn't take a genius to see where it's going. Clouds Passing Sunday #74
That is not the past behaviour. I'm not a genius and you are educated, so explain it. I don't see where it is going. Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #76
That is the reichwing trajectory, to take over the 4th largest economy in the world. Clouds Passing Sunday #80
I agree, the oligarchs want to tighten their strangle hold on wealth & income, but not that way Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #81
Everytime I hear of AI I think of Hal in 2001 space odyssey kimbutgar Oct 11 #35
And if AI suffers its demise... GreenWave Oct 11 #41
AI is certainly over-hyped Deminpenn Oct 11 #48
Very interesting article. Agreed: well worth the read. Thanks! . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #58
Venture bubbles are usually isolated WSHazel Oct 11 #53
The dot.com bubble caused a mild recession SamuelTheThird Oct 11 #56
This may be worse not bc of bubble bigger, but bc of Trumponomics in the background being propped up Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #60
This generation of AI is pretty limited. C_U_L8R Oct 11 #55
Also the data center issue Diraven Oct 11 #57
We are approaching that point. There is circular financing now Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #61
AI - A whole lot more canned hot air for sale. I suggest you read J.K. Galbraith's The Great Crash. flashman13 Oct 11 #62
I attended a Galbraith lecture in the later 'seventies and a discussion afterwards. hunter Sunday #75
Me too! Early 70s. He had the most wonderful and distinctive speaking style. flashman13 Sunday #77
And an incredible dry wit that would cut through the most inflated ego. flashman13 Sunday #79
Not as bad as the global bitcoin bubble which is sure to eclipse the AI bubble Glorious bastard Oct 11 #64
I suspect they will both explode more or less simultaneously. One will trigger the other. flashman13 Oct 11 #65
That's a very likely possibility. Glorious bastard Oct 11 #66
So our stock market is just unbridled bubbleism? mdbl Oct 11 #67
Correct! flashman13 Oct 11 #72
I can't wait. It's going to be spectacular. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Oct 11 #68
The bubble isn't going to burst (if it does) any time soon because... LudwigPastorius Oct 11 #73
It will be less of a national security issue if AI "research" (corporate exploitation) hits a wall of reality. Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #82
Don't want it, don't need it, would rather avoid it. discntnt_irny_srcsm Sunday #78
We've had a bubble and burst economy for some time. raccoon Sunday #83
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