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LiberalLovinLug

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54. How does pointing out how machines can be manipulated help your no-hand-counting argument?
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 03:47 PM
Jun 2024

Your convoluted responses are simply giving more excuses about how impossible it would be. You have two arguments, one is that Americans are just too lazy, too bored, and incompetent to do the job. I don't buy that, sorry.

The other..that its all the GOPs fault. You prove this by showing voting suppression actions and laws they have been enacting in Red States. But IF enough voters called their bluff and demanded hand counted ballot operations, don't you think that even the GOP in those States would want to assure their own base of voters, who would be the loudest proponents of hand counting, how this is so much better and safer than those bad bad machines? And the ball would be then in their court to make it as painless as possible? That its a case of "this is what you and your base wanted" so don't screw it up. Instead of spending money on machines that you show can be corrupted, you spend it on more polling workers.

Someone raised the pont about how many Democrats were calling foul in the 2000 election about machine manipulation. Now its Rs. So, how about to make everyone happy, have it split. All those other peripheral questions on a separate machine processed ballot...with paper trails. And have one main ballot submitted and hand counted, that looks similar to the one I showed you as a sample of Canada's ballot. A simple X beside the Presidential choice.

Even still I maintain it can be done, and that most people would even gladly wait two weeks if they believed that the final result was more honest than using machines. (Whether true or not, its about perception).
It might be worth it for that reason. It seems that the question of the integrity of having a democracy is what is dangerously bantered about. That a lot of folks think we need a dictatorship because the election process is rigged. If a new hand counted process, even if longer and probably a little less accurate, will save democracy in the US, I think its worth it.

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This is a very dumb move LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2024 #1
It should take five minutes to count them. jimfields33 Jun 2024 #7
Fewer than the combined fingers and toes of the 3 election officials. Wonder Why Jun 2024 #20
No, no, no. That's North Dakota. Angleae Jun 2024 #43
Paranoid................................. Lovie777 Jun 2024 #2
I realize they are much smaller counties than mine, but some of our ballots are three pages long! CrispyQ Jun 2024 #3
Yeah...Helen and George from the liquor store.. ret5hd Jun 2024 #4
LOL. That would make a great movie segment. 🎥 -nt CrispyQ Jun 2024 #8
Helen: ret5hd Jun 2024 #11
Won't say anything, I'm too nice to our farmers and ranchers out there in the Dakotas. Being that things probably SWBTATTReg Jun 2024 #5
It is more work for the election workers. mysteryowl Jun 2024 #6
Dare I say it? "Hand job?" mpcamb Jun 2024 #50
Their elections, their call. Igel Jun 2024 #9
Who decides WHO the counters are? bluestarone Jun 2024 #10
There is pressure here for hand counting too. That is fine in a county with 5000 voters yellowdogintexas Jun 2024 #12
Here in Philly BumRushDaShow Jun 2024 #13
that requirement to wait for Election Day to start with the mail-ins just blew me away yellowdogintexas Jun 2024 #37
It's done on purpose BumRushDaShow Jun 2024 #39
They have not thought this through AverageOldGuy Jun 2024 #14
If the precincts are small enough, hand counting is no problem questionseverything Jun 2024 #15
Idiots. ...nt 2naSalit Jun 2024 #16
The stupidity is remarkable. SarahD Jun 2024 #17
I spent a lot of my life in manufacturing. Scruffy1 Jun 2024 #18
This could be a very good thing LiberalLovinLug Jun 2024 #19
"I don't get why a larger country can't do this too." BumRushDaShow Jun 2024 #23
Break it down into precincts small enough to count overnight. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #25
Part of the issue here is the long day leftieNanner Jun 2024 #26
Counters and poll workers do not have to be the same people. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #28
In 2020, Philly had 1703 "Divisions" which are the same as "precincts" BumRushDaShow Jun 2024 #30
Just a lot of excuses. LiberalLovinLug Jun 2024 #32
"Many other western democracies in Europe have even more population density." BumRushDaShow Jun 2024 #34
density not total LiberalLovinLug Jun 2024 #36
"Density" is irrelevant BumRushDaShow Jun 2024 #38
Another big difference BumRushDaShow Jun 2024 #40
Yes, the amount of boxes to check is a big difference. LiberalLovinLug Jun 2024 #41
To address BumRushDaShow Jun 2024 #42
Images of the Flori-Duh recount and hanging chads come to mind. 4lbs Jun 2024 #21
Actually if the entire state of Florida had been hand counted questionseverything Jun 2024 #31
Yeah, a MAGA county in AZ did a experiment with hand counting SpankMe Jun 2024 #22
Might need six people to count each ballot. Old Crank Jun 2024 #24
Gosh well all be in the edge of our seats awaiting the results. underpants Jun 2024 #27
STATES run elections. Can a COUNTY do this on its own? Grins Jun 2024 #29
If the state allows it. Actually counties "run" and administer elections LeftInTX Jun 2024 #35
Call me paranoid, but I also worry about machines being rigged. NH Ethylene Jun 2024 #33
Before criticizing South Dakota... brooklynite Jun 2024 #44
The "Help America Vote Act" required that machines have a "paper trail" BumRushDaShow Jun 2024 #46
Yes, but I wasn't demanding hand counting. brooklynite Jun 2024 #47
How a state does their audit process BumRushDaShow Jun 2024 #48
How does pointing out how machines can be manipulated help your no-hand-counting argument? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2024 #54
Here we go BumRushDaShow Jun 2024 #55
Actually judge rawl did make that claim about the paperless machines questionseverything Jun 2024 #51
They should do a public demonstration of hand counting. LiberalFighter Jun 2024 #45
Here is your example BumRushDaShow Jun 2024 #49
My experience in just managing ballots ga_girl Jun 2024 #52
Think anyone would ever throw out votes they don't like? dlk Jun 2024 #53
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