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TomSlick

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12. I am skeptical about a negotiated settlement.

Reply to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 10, 2023, 01:34 PM

Jul 2023

What part of Ukraine and what Ukrainians should be left to Putin's tender mercies? Why would Ukraine believe that Putin would live-up to any agreement and not simply invade again when the Russian forces have been reconstituted?

Any settlement would necessarily include real guarantees by NATO if Putin invades again. The only real guarantee would be Ukraine joining NATO, which Putin could not accept.

The best hope for an end of the war is for Ukraine to be given what it needs to drive Russia from its territory. Ukraine needs modern fighter jets and the removal of restrictions against hitting Russian military targets in Russia.

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Biden, U.S. leaders insist war with Russia must end before Ukraine joins NATO [View all] former9thward Jul 2023 OP

That's true. It's also true that Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if it had been in NATO. DickKessler Jul 2023 #1

I don't expect this to be a problem. Putin BootinUp Jul 2023 #2

Of course. Admission now would put all the NATO nations at war with Russia. Hortensis Jul 2023 #3

So many don't understand that, or want the war with Russia. It's horrible thinking. Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #7

I wish we weren't sending cluster munitions, but accept that the Hortensis Jul 2023 #9

Excellent points hueymahl Jul 2023 #16

Unfortunately, denvine Jul 2023 #4

It is sad. Not admitting Ukraine to NATO means unending war and destruction for Ukraine. Lonestarblue Jul 2023 #5

Admission has rules and steps...not been met, Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #8

Exactly. TomSlick Jul 2023 #6

Ukraine needs to say they will never ever join NATO, negotiate a damn end to the war stalemate. Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #10

I am skeptical about a negotiated settlement. TomSlick Jul 2023 #12

Agree hueymahl Jul 2023 #15

How do you end a war you didn't start? Sounds impossible. live love laugh Jul 2023 #11

You win a war against an invader by driving the aggressor from your territory. TomSlick Jul 2023 #13

Aided by various factors and forces, internal and external, Hortensis Jul 2023 #17

I am hoping this is an opening gambit for peace talks hueymahl Jul 2023 #14