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25. Payroll jobs growth (Establishment Survey) vs. Employed (Household Survey)
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 01:05 PM
Jul 2023

This was of interest to me today:

# Nonfarm Employment (Establishment Survey) https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001
Monthly changes (in thousands): https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth
YEAR JAN FEB MAR etc.
2021 494 575 784 286 482 693 769 663 557 781 614 569
2022 364 904 414 254 364 370 568 352 350 324 290 239
2023 472 248 217 217 306 209
Last 2 months are preliminary

Last 3 months: +244k/month average (quite decent, you know how I like 3 month averages)

Last 6 months: +278k/month average

(both averages figured using the original thousands numbers)

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# Employed (Houshold Survey), https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12000000
Monthly changes (in thousands): https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12000000?output_view=net_1mth
YEAR JAN FEB MAR etc.
2021 --90 334 546 420 311 202 1098 429 656 528 1140 546
2022 1041 468 738 --346 317 --242 215 422 156 --257 --66 717
2023 894 177 577 139 --310 273
January and February of each year is affected by changes in population controls
Negative numbers indicated by "--" to stand out more

Last 3 months: +33k/month average,
Last 6 months: +292k/month average
(both averages figured using the original thousands numbers)

Shows how much more wobbly (that's the word of the day) the Household Survey is compared to the Establishment Survey.

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Revisions: April and May were revised down by a combined 110,000. Which means that today's headline payroll jobs number is only 99,000 higher than was reported a month ago: 209 - 110 = 99. Despite that, the 3 month average is quite decent +244k/month. Goldilocks job growth.

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Labor Force Participation Rate -- I've been much happier about this in the last 5 or so months (I used to wail and gnash my teeth about it).

LFPR age 25-54: Jan-Feb-Mar-Apr-May-Jun: 82.7 -> 83.1 -> 83.1 -> 83.3 -> 83.4 -> 83.5
(Jan 2020: 83.1 (pre-covid local peak), June 2022, 1 year ago: 82.4).
83.5 is highest since about 2002 (so much for nobody wants to work) https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300060


LFPR age 16+ (the official LFPR, the default LFPR) http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
After falling during the pandemic, it recovered somewhat in the latter part of 2020 and all of 2021, but then stalled beginning January 2022. But it started picking up late in 2022 and early 2023. It's still well below pre-Covid and probably will never get back up to that level thanks to boomer retirements (everyone 16 and older is counted in this one, including centenarians)


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Oh, stop it! You're falling into the same line we're hearing too... TreasonousBastard Jul 2023 #1
Yesterday's job news was off the charts - we need to balance it with more tepid job numbers... Probatim Jul 2023 #2
It's the title of the article Joe Cool Jul 2023 #30
Yes, but while article was largely positive, most people just see... TreasonousBastard Jul 2023 #31
Seems to be a real disparity between ADP figures and official BLS data OnlinePoker Jul 2023 #3
ADP is not a reliable source for this data. It's just a private payroll service. PSPS Jul 2023 #18
So, where are all the cheerleaders from yesterday's House of Roberts Jul 2023 #4
I was thinking the same thing. underpants Jul 2023 #8
Maybe they added the jobs but don't plan to pay them...great business plan mpcamb Jul 2023 #9
It's 2 different data sets BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #10
And the ADP only does 20% of the nation's payroll. The other 80% is an estimate based on progree Jul 2023 #13
Thank you! BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #20
Payroll jobs growth (Establishment Survey) vs. Employed (Household Survey) progree Jul 2023 #25
Glad you are back up and holding! BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #26
Interesting rolling 3 month average graph of headline nonfarm payroll jobs progree Jul 2023 #27
See you got me playing with the charts there BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #28
Interesting how so much the same (as expected) and yet somewhat different progree Jul 2023 #29
I see your graph disappeared. It uses to be that copying and pasting a BLS graph's URL progree Jul 2023 #34
I'm guessing they kill the hotlinks after awhile BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #35
209,000 is still a great number Johnny2X2X Jul 2023 #11
CNBC LOL, gab13by13 Jul 2023 #5
Lower numbers reduce potential for more rate hikes. NoMoreRepugs Jul 2023 #6
The MSM has been beating this a recession is coming ever since Biden's doc03 Jul 2023 #7
The beating will continue until morale improves IronLionZion Jul 2023 #12
How else can they get Republicans to win next year's elections. Yavin4 Jul 2023 #21
LINKS to some BLS Data Series Numbers and Graphs progree Jul 2023 #14
This story is directly contradicted by story from the same source here: Fiendish Thingy Jul 2023 #15
No, yesterday's report is the ADP payrolls report progree Jul 2023 #16
I am criticizing the meaning ascribed to each report Fiendish Thingy Jul 2023 #17
OK, the big difference between 497,000 private sector jobs and 209,000 total jobs progree Jul 2023 #19
My criticism was of the quality of CNBC's reporting Fiendish Thingy Jul 2023 #23
I didn't have much of a problem myself with it, except I wouldn't use "wobbly" for today's progree Jul 2023 #24
so, the stock market went down....why? Skittles Jul 2023 #32
I dunno. Yesterday the S&P 500 went DOWN 35 points after a +497k private sectors job report progree Jul 2023 #33
None of these numbers are precise. Yavin4 Jul 2023 #22
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