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eppur_se_muova

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15. I've been wondering about this ever since they were introduced into consumer products ...
Fri May 12, 2023, 01:28 AM
May 2023

I learned about these as a chemistry undergraduate because they were introduced into synthetic chemistry as phase-transfer catalysts. Then, suddenly, they appeared in almost every consumer product imaginable -- It seemed I couldn't read a label without finding a quaternary ammonium salt, but I hadn't heard of any study establishing their use in such products as safe. Given that they might help transport a number of harmful chemical species across cell membranes, this didn't strike me as such a good idea, and I wondered if the large numbers of frogs with bizarre anatomical defects suddenly showing up at about the same time might be a result. Apparently, the latter turned out to be due to the fungal infection that began killing off frog populations across the globe. But I still never saw any study establishing the use of quaternary ammonium salts as safe. Not it appears the opposite has been found, but it's strange that we're just now hearing about it.

Not all the Quaternium compounds are simple tetralkylammonium species, either. At least one -- Quaternium-15 -- is actually derived from hexamethylenetetramine, which is itself made from formaldehyde. Slow hydrolysis of the tetramine nucleus leads to evolution of formaldehyde, which functions as an antimicrobial preservative. These formaldehyde-releasing chemicals are often added to cosmetics, shampoos, etc. to keep them "safe", even though better alternatives are available.

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Well of course they do! RussBLib May 2023 #1
we are supposed to use gloves when using them at work. mucifer May 2023 #2
Nothing new Iwasthere May 2023 #3
Imagine how badass that .1% of germs must be BOSSHOG May 2023 #4
And, of course, that Igel May 2023 #24
I use plain rubbing alcohol with sometimes a couple drops of environmentally friendly dish detergent Maraya1969 May 2023 #5
I put rubbing alcohol in a spray bottle... ananda May 2023 #8
White vinegar bdamomma May 2023 #25
Most people don't use them correctly, anyway Warpy May 2023 #6
"...disinfectant foggers." dchill May 2023 #7
Make your own 5x7 inch reusable wipes from cotton knit, txwhitedove May 2023 #9
sarcasm enid602 May 2023 #10
I recently worked on a study of percutaneous quaternary amine absorption. NNadir May 2023 #11
Thank you for your perspective Alice Kramden May 2023 #14
Thank you. Very helpful. chia May 2023 #19
Link to the peer reviewed study PDF littlemissmartypants May 2023 #21
Yes, thank you. I already found it. NNadir May 2023 #22
You're welcome, NNadir. Thanks for weighing in. It's a shame littlemissmartypants May 2023 #23
k&r nt orleans May 2023 #12
Kick burrowowl May 2023 #13
I've been wondering about this ever since they were introduced into consumer products ... eppur_se_muova May 2023 #15
disinfectant foggers- that's just a terrifying term on it's own NullTuples May 2023 #16
I guess it's back to buying toilet paper. C Moon May 2023 #17
Clorox Wipes, Brand Name... GB_RN May 2023 #18
disinfectant wipes have replaced paper towels as the weapon of choice in many household dembotoz May 2023 #20
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