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In reply to the discussion: Jury finds both Amber Heard and Johnny Depp liable for defamation [View all]SunSeeker
(56,780 posts)41. The jury found her general statements advocating for abuse victims defamatory. That was wrong.
Depps claim centered on three statements contained in an op-ed Heard wrote for The Washington Post on Dec. 18, 2018:
The first statement was the headline, which read, Amber Heard: I spoke up against sexual violence and faced our cultures wrath. That has to change.
Then, within the op-ed, was the second statement: Then two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our cultures wrath for women who speak out.
And the third: I had the rare vantage point of seeing, in real time, how institutions protect men accused of abuse.
For every one of those statements, Depp had to prove each of these elements by a preponderance of evidence:
1. That it was false.
2. That it communicated to someone else something defamatory and that it was about Depp.
3. That Heard intended it to be defamatory.
4. Then, by clear and convincing evidence (a higher burden), Depp had to prove that Heard made the defamatory statement either knowing it was false or was highly aware it was probably false.
Lets start with the first statement, which is the headline. As someone who writes articles for news organizations, like the one youre reading right now, I can tell you that I never write the headline. Never. I dont even suggest one. I dont know if thats some trade secret Im not supposed to tell. I guess well know if my editor has left these sentences in this article youre reading right now.
In my mind, the first statement should have been thrown out because Heard likely didnt write the headline. Indeed, Heards legal team maintained she didnt write it. But the jurors did not throw it out at all; they found it defamatory.
Then, within the op-ed, was the second statement: Then two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our cultures wrath for women who speak out.
And the third: I had the rare vantage point of seeing, in real time, how institutions protect men accused of abuse.
For every one of those statements, Depp had to prove each of these elements by a preponderance of evidence:
1. That it was false.
2. That it communicated to someone else something defamatory and that it was about Depp.
3. That Heard intended it to be defamatory.
4. Then, by clear and convincing evidence (a higher burden), Depp had to prove that Heard made the defamatory statement either knowing it was false or was highly aware it was probably false.
Lets start with the first statement, which is the headline. As someone who writes articles for news organizations, like the one youre reading right now, I can tell you that I never write the headline. Never. I dont even suggest one. I dont know if thats some trade secret Im not supposed to tell. I guess well know if my editor has left these sentences in this article youre reading right now.
In my mind, the first statement should have been thrown out because Heard likely didnt write the headline. Indeed, Heards legal team maintained she didnt write it. But the jurors did not throw it out at all; they found it defamatory.
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Amber's is owning him $ 8.5 mil as it stands now which is going to be hard for her
littlemissmartypants
Jun 2022
#43
As others have said, now we can start worrying about mass shootings, the overturn of Roe, etc. etc.
groundloop
Jun 2022
#5
Celebrity. People can't help themselves. Look at the Kardashians. Trash who make millions.
oldsoftie
Jun 2022
#23
The jury awarded Depp $10 mil plus $5 mil for punitive damages. $2 mil for Heard and $0 in punitive
chowder66
Jun 2022
#22
I found him to be so revolting during the trial. Cannot watch him ever again.
MaryMagdaline
Jun 2022
#27
This will have a terrible chilling effect on reporting by domestic violence victims.
SunSeeker
Jun 2022
#31
The jury found her general statements advocating for abuse victims defamatory. That was wrong.
SunSeeker
Jun 2022
#41
I don't know, but the lesson is that SHE paid the price, three or four times over.
Sparkly
Jun 2022
#42