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mahatmakanejeeves

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26. Where does moving ten times as much product not require an increase in expense?
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 03:14 PM
Apr 2022

Last edited Wed Apr 27, 2022, 04:25 PM - Edit history (8)

All I can think of is floating logs down a river maybe, but that practice went out decades ago.

If you're talking about moving refined product in a pipeline, it certainly requires more energy to move 1,000 units of product than it does to move 100 units. Further, the energy you use to move that product costs more than before, if crude oil is priced at $100 per barrel now, when it used to be priced at, say, $40 per barrel.

Not a pipeline? Let's try something else. You're CSX or Norfolk Southern, and you're moving automobiles from a factory to an automotive distribution center. Three hundred miles sounds about right. You've got 720 cars to move. An autorack holds 12 cars. That's one 60-car train. Put two 3,000 horsepower diesel locomotives on the front. Average train speed, 30 mph end to end. That's ten hours. I don't know how many miles per gallon they get, but someone on the railroad will know the expense for moving a 60-car train carrying 720 automobiles 300 miles using two 3,000 locomotives to get the job done.

That was then; this is now. Business is up tenfold. Now you have to move 7,200 automobiles. Same distance, but let's increase the train length to 75 cars. This can still be done with two locomotives per train.

600 autoracks in 75-car trains means you'll have 8 trains. You'll need more locomotives.

Train weight has gone up by 25 percent. The increased weight per train means that the locomotives will be working harder, thus getting worse mileage. The trains will slow down too and take longer for the trip. Trains headed in the opposite direction will have to take the siding more, so operations for all trains will slow down along the segment of track over which the trains are operating.

You can speed the trains up, but only by adding a third locomotive. That means more fuel, but now it costs more than it did back when the factory had orders for only 720 automobiles. It's up to $100 per barrel now. What that works out to per gallon of diesel fuel, I don't know.

You'll need an engineer and a brakeman per train, depending on the contract. The train crews will probably want to be paid too.

Any delays? Whoops, you'll need a second crew, as the first crew runs out of hours and ties up the train at the nearest point where it can. Call a taxi and take the crew to a terminal. You'll need only one taxi; the new crew can ride in it on the one to the tied-up train.

The railroad can figure out the cost for doing this, but it's certainly going to be a lot more than for the first movement of automobiles.

Every step of the operation costs more now than it used to.

I believe I am using realistic figures.

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It has been repeated ad nauseum to little effect. It is what it is ... uninformed but misinformed KPN Apr 2022 #1
"What's good for grifters is good for grifters." - Republicans Achilleaze Apr 2022 #2
There is some legitimate inflation Pantagruel Apr 2022 #3
Even with oil at $100/barrel, that does not require an increase in the world wide wally Apr 2022 #14
Where do you live that shipping and refining don't require any energy? mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2022 #21
I didn't say "any energy" I said "more" world wide wally Apr 2022 #23
Where does moving ten times as much product not require an increase in expense? mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2022 #26
You think refinery workers and petroleum truck drivers work for 2016 wages? mathematic Apr 2022 #33
Take a deep breath. world wide wally Apr 2022 #34
yes but inflation is 7% Skittles Apr 2022 #31
That is impossible Zeitghost Apr 2022 #38
As long as idiots blame Biden IronLionZion Apr 2022 #4
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What's that they say.... let no crisis be wasted. groundloop Apr 2022 #15
Indeed ck4829 May 2022 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author turbinetree Apr 2022 #5
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do the majority of voters Skittles Apr 2022 #41
Just from a business perspective, without moral/ethical concerns ToxMarz Apr 2022 #17
Someone here suggested the term "Greedflation" nuxvomica Apr 2022 #18
I like that ck4829 May 2022 #46
Capitalism has nothing to do with supply and demand. multigraincracker Apr 2022 #19
"Capitalism has nothing to do with supply and demand." mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2022 #28
I don't see the supply in that formula. multigraincracker Apr 2022 #29
The oil market is not something I ordinarily follow on a day-to-day basis. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2022 #30
The IEA report aside, there's this: mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2022 #32
Users, like airlines and railroads use to multigraincracker Apr 2022 #35
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K&R ck4829 May 2022 #44
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