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BumRushDaShow

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73. Well in the first case
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 11:13 AM
Mar 2022

the old adage "follow the $$$" applies. I.e., to paraphrase another old adage - "There are no permanent friends nor permanent enemies, only permanent interests".

It ends up being the job of the savvy politicos to spot those opportunities beneficial to them, that might also be beneficial to a current "enemy" if there is a strategic need to switch alliances. All that outreach to Maduro is a perfect example of that. The initial outreach to Iran for a similar reason (at least in terms of restoring the nuclear agreement) got stymied (for now) after their missile barrage on Irbil aimed at the (currently vacant) U.S. Consulate there.

And with respect to China - they want to be the dominant power on that side of the world. They also want Taiwan but have watched what happened with Russia "wanting" all of Ukraine. So they are carefully re-balancing their expectations and future plans, including having Russia out of the picture financially. I.e., you already have this going on -

Business
China buying more cheap and sanctioned oil from Iran and Venezuela

Bloomberg


Jan 11, 2022

China doubled down on imports of Iranian and Venezuelan crude in 2021, taking the most from the U.S.-sanctioned regimes in three years, as refiners brushed off the risk of penalties to scoop up cheap oil. Crude processors in the world’s biggest importer were observed to have bought 324 million barrels from Iran and Venezuela in 2021, about 53% more than the year before, according to data from market intelligence firm Kpler. That’s the most since 2018, when China took 352 million barrels from the two nations.

Chinese buyers, particularly private refiners, have benefited from Washington’s tough line on Iran and Venezuela, continuing to buy their oil long after their counterparts elsewhere in Asia ceased purchases. The risk that non-U.S. entities may lose access to the U.S. financial system or have their American assets frozen if found guilty of breaching the sanctions hasn’t dissuaded them.

A glut of unsold cargoes, rising international prices, and the issuance of more crude import quotas by Beijing, have incentivized the private refiners, known as teapots, to snap up more oil from the pariah states. These shipments typically don’t show up in official customs data.

“This surge was triggered by rising crude prices, making Iranian crude, anecdotally, up to 10% cheaper when delivered into China,” said Anoop Singh, head of East of Suez tanker research at Braemar ACM Shipbroking Pte Ltd. The U.S. also eased up on sanctions enforcement as it tried to get a nuclear agreement with Iran, he said.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/01/11/business/china-sanctioned-iran-venezuela-oil/


With what has now happened with Russia and our outreach to Venezuela (and Iran - at least recently in general), what was once "done in the dark" could be give the tacit "we'll look away" from the U.S., in exchange for something else...

All kinds of little bargaining chips out there.

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... ColinC Mar 2022 #1
Putin's over confidence in his military has the world... brush Mar 2022 #9
Actually,... Wuddles440 Mar 2022 #50
So are you willing to risk nuclear war? brush Mar 2022 #52
At some point the answer, however abhorrent, must be "yes." Igel Mar 2022 #56
First he would reclaim Russian America and install a puppet Governor, perhaps an ex Governor. Marcuse Mar 2022 #58
I agree. He'll use the threat of nuclear attack indefinitely. China needs to butt out. Karadeniz Mar 2022 #60
Not Churchill melm00se Mar 2022 #10
Thanks caraher Mar 2022 #17
I heard the quote on MSNBC. ColinC Mar 2022 #22
I used to have this hanging in my classroom melm00se Mar 2022 #49
Don't worry about it caraher Mar 2022 #66
Thanks! ColinC Mar 2022 #23
Don't think the Chinese are that dumb Deminpenn Mar 2022 #2
Sanctions against China Jazz Jon Mar 2022 #4
The other day bought lightbulbs Deminpenn Mar 2022 #5
I share your general concern caraher Mar 2022 #18
What? So the Ukrainian forces stiff resistance... brush Mar 2022 #3
dumb ass of Russia bit off more than he can chew ? monkeyman1 Mar 2022 #8
This would be about the time for China to say "Nah." Metaphorical Mar 2022 #6
I think you're right. Xi is no dummy and will be... brush Mar 2022 #12
Yep! Can't think of a single reason for Xi to help Putin. nt Phoenix61 Mar 2022 #34
So, I wonder what the details they declined to share are... liberalla Mar 2022 #7
Same here. nt orangecrush Mar 2022 #43
What a CROCK! bluestarone Mar 2022 #11
More than half of Russia's tanks are on the border with China. L. Coyote Mar 2022 #15
I'm beginning to wonder what their troop losses actually are Warpy Mar 2022 #13
They can do a trade, China gets Siberia .... L. Coyote Mar 2022 #14
I thought i SAW something that said China was willing to help YoshidaYui Mar 2022 #16
China is a strong trading partner with UKR. But there's a general medium term problem: Eyeball_Kid Mar 2022 #65
This was a REALLY interesting thread posted this morning about where China's interests lie: Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #19
Thanks elleng Mar 2022 #26
Thanks to Tomconroy. Now I guess we wait and see whether they take this guy's advice. Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #29
Right; holding breaths about something ELSE. elleng Mar 2022 #30
The times we live in. Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #31
This is what China also has in mind BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #35
I imaging answering Vlad's call would make it even harder than the Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #37
There are some serious BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #39
I actually saved that graphic the last time you posted it. It's great. But I bet it's already Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #40
That was based on IMF data for 2021. BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #42
Seriously, these sanctions have them in deep trouble. Hopefully it's enough to Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #44
It might end up having to be BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #48
Oh those transformating ones are fascinating! electric_blue68 Mar 2022 #53
Thank you. I love these. Where Russia sits now with overall world trade is worsened by this ancianita Mar 2022 #45
The issue at this point BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #51
I was thinking that you want the country but you're blasting major important areas to bits, it... electric_blue68 Mar 2022 #54
It's like a spite job BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #55
It is. ancianita Mar 2022 #64
In response to reports that Russia is seeking military equipment and other support from China yaesu Mar 2022 #20
You know you're f*cked COL Mustard Mar 2022 #21
Hey! Would you like to help me out on this war I needlessly started? CanonRay Mar 2022 #24
China promised in 2013 to protect Ukraine... pbmus Mar 2022 #25
Thanks; saw it yesterday. elleng Mar 2022 #27
Putin went to war without adequate resources LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2022 #28
Putin is also looking for soldiers from satellite countries and the middle east. Mr. Sparkle Mar 2022 #32
In January 1991, after a 5 month build-up BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #33
Wow. Amazing comparison that leads to lots of questions about his and his military's strategy, ancianita Mar 2022 #38
That number of troops that he put together BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #41
Right. ancianita Mar 2022 #63
Putin is easily old enough to be Zelensky's father BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #67
Thank you for all the links and analysis. I'm glad your radar is out on energy orgs ancianita Mar 2022 #72
Well in the first case BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #73
Will China help kill innocent Ukrainians, who never hurt China, in Russia's terror campaign? Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #36
Yes, if Russia agrees to back a Chinese Invasion of Taiwan. TomCADem Mar 2022 #46
But they would need some sort of credible rationale. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #47
"We'll pay you as may Rubles as you need, just help us please!" ffr Mar 2022 #57
Poor Pootie Crataegus Mar 2022 #59
There were news reports in 1939-40 heckles65 Mar 2022 #61
China denies it and publicly sympathizes with Ukraine IronLionZion Mar 2022 #62
Maybe just enough quakerboy Mar 2022 #68
If Russia has such a powerful military force, why do they need help? LiberalFighter Mar 2022 #69
LBN dupe Lasher Mar 2022 #70
What Happened To Putin's Call For Syria To Send 15,000 Troops DallasNE Mar 2022 #71
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