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121. I want what you say to be true. But it isn't. We can barely field a majority in the House and Senate

Thu Feb 17, 2022, 12:26 PM

Feb 2022

because of the way our constitution is structured...we have to win in purple and some red states and districts. Moderates gave us the House in 18-not progressives. And the moderates who lost in 20 absolutely blamed the 'defund the police' message championed on some progressive website. Is that true? I don't know.

But progressives can't win in areas we absolutely have to win. For example, a progressive can't win a Senate seat in Pennsylvania. They can win at the moment only in deep blue districts. Power is earned at the ballot box. Could a progressive win in Arizona or in West Virginia? I think not. We need to change that by winning hearts and minds. But putting up a candidate in a primary that is almost assured to go down in defeat should he/she win is a bad idea, and we risk losing the seat.

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Exclusive: Top House Democrat Unveils Plan to Beat Back Progressive Rebellion [View all] ificandream Feb 2022 OP

how about a plan to beat back manchin and sinema? Javaman Feb 2022 #1

So damn true. ificandream Feb 2022 #3

If you mean beat them at the polls wryter2000 Feb 2022 #13

+1 jcmaine72 Feb 2022 #18

Absolutely. Peregrine Took Feb 2022 #28

Its always been a mix of ideals & visions. Budi Feb 2022 #40

Exactly.. Thank Goodness for Cha Feb 2022 #67

The three that got recalled might have been 'progressive' The Mouth Feb 2022 #60

Exactly right...their priorities were completely screwed up. Renaming schools and doing nothing Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #117

Maybe you mean Kurt Vonnegut The Mouth Feb 2022 #122

That is similar. But in college I read a short story that I was surprised to see was authored by Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #155

He's a weird cat, for sure The Mouth Feb 2022 #184

Perhaps the fact that Sinema and Manchin aren't up for re-election... brooklynite Feb 2022 #126

I hope they find someone to replace Sinema wryter2000 Feb 2022 #143

What I would like to know is why does Mark Kelly have a progressive challenger in the primary? Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #156

Now there's a concept. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #139

I'll Put My Trust In Hakeem Me. Feb 2022 #2

Just curious ... why? ificandream Feb 2022 #4

Because he's putting Progressive in their place. Autumn Feb 2022 #5

Not at all. But they need to understand the reality of who wins elections. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #8

I think the far left is the future of this party. ificandream Feb 2022 #9

Yes. What is called the far left is the future. Autumn Feb 2022 #11

Whether we older Americans like it or not ... ificandream Feb 2022 #123

More liberal does not equate to "far left" brooklynite Feb 2022 #128

Good point .... ificandream Feb 2022 #129

Our young progressives have fire and know how to fight back. They don't go along to get along. Autumn Feb 2022 #146

Very true. ificandream Feb 2022 #149

There is no evidence that this is the case. However, there is evidence that many if not most Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #157

What? You think these Reps and Senators in their 60's to 80's are going to be there forever? Autumn Feb 2022 #167

Nope but you live in a future you somehow think will happen. I live in the present ...I am worried Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #183

+1000. wnylib Feb 2022 #209

THat May Be But It Isn't Now Me. Feb 2022 #23

"we don't need someone coming along and messing things up, perhaps even losing it by primarying KPN Feb 2022 #36

No one...should be challenging an incumbent this year. This is a midterm and we need to try to Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #158

I disagree when applying that thinking universally. And I'm okay with challengers in some strongly KPN Feb 2022 #185

What in particular leads you to believe that? Torchlight Feb 2022 #62

No data, but .... ificandream Feb 2022 #66

The exact same thing could be said of the moderates Torchlight Feb 2022 #72

Out of Trump but not in the House or Senate. former9thward Feb 2022 #90

All three of those were challengers to incumbents. I donated to two of them. They won and ancianita Feb 2022 #86

I just hope Katie Porter wins her seat again personally. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #159

I do not. Primarying Democrats is madness in a midterm year. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #105

...assuming the younger generation ever decides to start voting. brooklynite Feb 2022 #127

There is no future JustAnotherGen Feb 2022 #186

"They don't know us and they don't care to know us" listening to anyone else is out of the question betsuni Feb 2022 #194

Take a look at the recent Buffalo mayoral race. wnylib Feb 2022 #210

+1 betsuni Feb 2022 #218

I'm 52 years old and I'm way more AOC than Jeffries Withywindle Feb 2022 #224

So why is Jefferies concerned about Progressive's running in primaries if it's the Centrist's jalan48 Feb 2022 #10

Because primary elections don't draw as much as the regular. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #22

If more progressive candidates can win in deep blue districts what's the issue? jalan48 Feb 2022 #30

Losing seats in purple districts. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #37

The way I see it individual's run for office with differing opinions on the issues. Letting the jalan48 Feb 2022 #39

The way I see it is we desperately need to hold the house and senate for judges and everything Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #118

3O to 40 AoCs would be a dream. LuvLoogie Feb 2022 #45

Only if they can win elections. I tell you at this moment AOC would not win a primary in New York. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #164

Here's an example. summer_in_TX Feb 2022 #99

And that in a nutshell is the problem. Howard Dean match districts/states with candidates and he was Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #165

Yes he was! summer_in_TX Feb 2022 #205

Right. It makes no sense. ancianita Feb 2022 #43

Maybe it's really about money and not offending/losing big, more conservative donors. jalan48 Feb 2022 #44

Would you please name one conservative donor besides Big fossil donors? Because we have ancianita Feb 2022 #47

Goldman Sachs? jalan48 Feb 2022 #50

Is that a guess, or do you have a link? ancianita Feb 2022 #51

This is from Open Secrets jalan48 Feb 2022 #52

Thanks. ancianita Feb 2022 #53

YW jalan48 Feb 2022 #54

He doesn't want to lose . And no doubt, the Gop will try to pick the primary candidate sure to lose. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #109

In a deep blue district? jalan48 Feb 2022 #113

Texas is not deep blue in any district OK? We should primary no one this year...it is Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #116

If I may ask, who is your Congressperson and who is challenging him/her? jalan48 Feb 2022 #120

I just helped elect Shontel Brown ...a Democrat and defeated Hillary/Democrat hating Nina Turner. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #166

Thanks for supporting and working for candidate's you believe in. jalan48 Feb 2022 #178

It was a pleasure. Shontel is wonderful. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #181

In many of those primaries Republicans can vote and help field a Democratic candidate they know will Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #119

Primaries weaken incumbents...it also costs money that could be spent on the general. I do not Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #160

I disagree. Let the voter's decide.That's why we have primaries. jalan48 Feb 2022 #179

I am sorry. I am truly pissed that Mark Kelly faces a progressive challanger who might weaken Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #180

This doesn't apply to deep blue districts, though. JudyM Feb 2022 #16

Look Where Defund The Police Got Us Me. Feb 2022 #25

81 million showed up to tell America that they want the progressive Biden-Harris package. ancianita Feb 2022 #34

Kennedy would be run off today. Just watch the polls. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #41

Fine. ancianita Feb 2022 #46

Thats just it; have there been ANY? Because I don't know either. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #55

Right? We haven't, so why do people here put 'standalones' out as a viable option for Progressives. ancianita Feb 2022 #58

It is a 50 50 Senate. Perhaps they should adjust their expectations. And how does primarying Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #161

Biden-Harris did not run as AOC type progressives. former9thward Feb 2022 #91

They did. They ran as Bernie type progressives. Bernie's & Biden's transition teams collaborated ancianita Feb 2022 #93

You are WRONG LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #102

Nope. I'll assume you used all caps for EMphasis and not yelling. ancianita Feb 2022 #115

Joe Biden-"I'm not Bernie Sanders" LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #130

Thank you for your on-the-ground history of in-party dynamics. It's eye-opening. ancianita Feb 2022 #136

Bernie is a populist, Biden did not run as a populist in any way. betsuni Feb 2022 #103

Not according to Bernie. Of COURSE Biden didn't run as a populist. Trump did. ancianita Feb 2022 #106

You are still wrong LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #131

Nope. ancianita Feb 2022 #135

Trump right-wing populist, Bernie left-wing populist. betsuni Feb 2022 #141

Biden did not run as a Bernie Sanders type progressive. Why would he? Sanders lost the primary. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #162

I know he didn't. You're right. ancianita Feb 2022 #199

What exactly is a "Bernie type progressive"? As for the transition teams collaborating... George II Feb 2022 #169

I'm not arguing what a progressive is by who was progressive. I only care that progressives, ancianita Feb 2022 #200

Actually, aren't they self-described as rebellions? Wasn't that Nixie Feb 2022 #215

No. I haven't seen evidence of their doing so. Unless you can link their doing so, ancianita Feb 2022 #216

Unfortunately, you are still trying to rewrite history. Nixie Feb 2022 #217

Not at all. ancianita Feb 2022 #219

Still a little skewed way of looking at the reality Nixie Feb 2022 #220

But your calling "attempts to stifle criticism of their "branding" as *denial* is the perfect view ancianita Feb 2022 #221

Wow, the scripted name calling, the passive-aggressive references to Nixie Feb 2022 #222

+1 betsuni Feb 2022 #232

I want what you say to be true. But it isn't. We can barely field a majority in the House and Senate Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #121

Fine. I get your fair points. Just remember that current progressives were seen the same way ancianita Feb 2022 #124

I think Fetterman is a great candidate. Like Biden he can attract moderate voters and talk Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #163

What proposals would those be? Magoo48 Feb 2022 #61

What is that place, exactly. If there is no progress, then what. ancianita Feb 2022 #31

If there is no progress people don't show up to vote. One would think that's obvious. Autumn Feb 2022 #33

IF? Are you trying to say there's been no progess from this Biden-Harris administration? ancianita Feb 2022 #35

LOL whoosh !!! Autumn Feb 2022 #38

That's all you've got. ancianita Feb 2022 #48

Thank You Me. Feb 2022 #57

YW, Me. ancianita Feb 2022 #59

Thank you, ancianita. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #81

... ancianita Feb 2022 #82

... sheshe2 Feb 2022 #89

Well then they get they get right-wing government. And they get nothing. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #110

Then you win those elections that can be won, and accept that we won't get everything we want...and Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #168

Is that your opinion? lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #140

Progressives are the future. It's their world I can't wait to see them in charge. Autumn Feb 2022 #147

I don't see that happening anytime soon, and the GOP can stop it if they continue to win. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #170

It's up to Dems to make sure the GOP doesn't win. A lot of young voters out there. Dems need to Autumn Feb 2022 #173

You can't the stop the GOP if you can't win in red and purple districts...thus you must field Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #182

(cough cough) Hakeem Jeffries has been a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus for years. George II Feb 2022 #192

(cough cough) yourself George. That is exactly what Hakeem Jeffries is doing. Autumn Feb 2022 #193

A member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus is "putting Progressives in their place" betsuni Feb 2022 #195

Lulz. The things you read on the internet, eh? George II Feb 2022 #196

AGREED UT_democrat Feb 2022 #230

Because he's absolutely correct. Budi Feb 2022 #19

Yup, he is a pain in the butt. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #171

Hakeem Jeffires will likely succeed Pelosi as speaker LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #101

If the progressive candidates win say the Texas primary and other places, can they win the General? Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #107

I just said.. Thank Goodness We Have Cha Feb 2022 #68

Indeed Me. Feb 2022 #78

Ohh Mahalo! Cha Feb 2022 #80

I agree Cha. We need to win. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #108

Above All We Need to WIN! Cha Feb 2022 #137

We have to win...everytime a GOP wins we get dragged further to the right...and honestly there is Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #172

No, I did Not know that.. Cha Feb 2022 #189

I have & will continue to donate to Team Blue PAC. Budi Feb 2022 #6

We're doing so well, why change? jalan48 Feb 2022 #7

This is no time for more Susan Sarandons wryter2000 Feb 2022 #12

Seems so obvious, but . . . empedocles Feb 2022 #20

Three is Never a "time for Cha Feb 2022 #69

I can't watch her movies anymore n/t wryter2000 Feb 2022 #125

I understand that all too well.. Cha Feb 2022 #138

I can't watch Kevin Spacey, either wryter2000 Feb 2022 #142

I know.. it's a shame. Cha Feb 2022 #144

I hope this brings to light the truth of Waleed Shahid, Max Berger, Zac Exley & Saikat Chakrabarti's Budi Feb 2022 #14

absolutely... Johnyawl Feb 2022 #27

Not even sure where they fall on the spectrum after reserching their origins. Budi Feb 2022 #29

Thank you for the names; can you also post research links? ancianita Feb 2022 #49

Only here on DU would Jeffries be considered a centrist. bottomofthehill Feb 2022 #15

Thank you... Johnyawl Feb 2022 #24

His ADA numbers are to the left of many of the DU darlings. bottomofthehill Feb 2022 #64

+1 Me. Feb 2022 #26

Rep Hakeem Jeffries is NO Cha Feb 2022 #70

I like Realist. bottomofthehill Feb 2022 #71

Absolutely.. We Won the House Cha Feb 2022 #73

Great post! I heard on Morning Joe a new name Nixie Feb 2022 #74

+1000 sheshe2 Feb 2022 #84

I guess being a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus makes him a centrist... George II Feb 2022 #191

Support ought to be more selectively determined than just "incumbent," IMO. JudyM Feb 2022 #17

Depends on where the challenger arrives in the spotlight from. Budi Feb 2022 #21

Sorry, we need to protect all of our incumbents in a midterm. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #174

House caucuses work as state and party teams. Hortensis Feb 2022 #201

K&R ... and I agree with you fully. KPN Feb 2022 #32

Oh please. It works both ways, judging by the last couple elections. Budi Feb 2022 #42

Or How About Targeting Republicans Me. Feb 2022 #56

Exactly. The truth of their purpose is in the Party they challenge & the Party they never touch. Budi Feb 2022 #63

Beautifully Put Me. Feb 2022 #65

Al this, well said. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #198

Who? KPN Feb 2022 #132

This is a great idea by Jeffries. Enough is enough. Nixie Feb 2022 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Feb 2022 #76

Huh? So McAuliffe wasn't to the left enough so voters chose a candidate to the RIGHT of him? George II Feb 2022 #85

No it is not. It makes no sense to pick the right... Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #111

Oh, please. Phony baloney. The party SUPPORTS INCUMBENTS as a matter of princple. Hortensis Feb 2022 #77

I may have missed it, but I didn't see anything that said Team Blue PAC has a "Plan to Beat Back George II Feb 2022 #79

Yep. Where this "Progressive Rebellion" characterization comes in sounds weird, even suspect. ancianita Feb 2022 #87

:) "Weird" would be not knowing that Shahid and his types are avowed Hortensis Feb 2022 #202

Wonderful... ibegurpard Feb 2022 #83

Are you familiar with groups like Justice Democrats, Brand New Congress, Courage to Change? George II Feb 2022 #88

I'm not, but I intend to be. Thank you for the names. ancianita Feb 2022 #204

You're welcome. They've been going after incumbent Democrats since the were established... George II Feb 2022 #206

So is everyone here also familiar with the DCCC blacklist? Can you explain why progressive PACs' ancianita Feb 2022 #207

Where is the evidence of corruption? How do people employed by corporations or other industries betsuni Feb 2022 #208

Of course that's always the justification for Citizens United and altruistic donations through ancianita Feb 2022 #211

Justice Democrats are a superPAC. betsuni Feb 2022 #212

Link it. ancianita Feb 2022 #213

All you have to do is Google. They have a Carey Committee superPAC betsuni Feb 2022 #214

No, Jeffries. This is the mindset that gave us Trump. intheflow Feb 2022 #92

So what do you have to say about Justice Democrats, Brand New Congress (same founders).... George II Feb 2022 #96

A majority can't be alienated. intheflow Feb 2022 #98

I hate to break it to you but you are not part of a majority. It was moderates that gave us the Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #175

Hmmm mahina Feb 2022 #94

And For Right Now You've Made The Most Important Point Me. Feb 2022 #95

We can progress with moderates but can't if we nominate those who lose the election Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #112

Hakeen Jeffries is a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, and he's an ACTIVE member..... George II Feb 2022 #97

I am on the Justice Democrats email feed LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #100

It's hilarious when JDs get hysterical about Democrats raising money to beat Republicans. betsuni Feb 2022 #104

And, who all funded the Tea Party? Cha Feb 2022 #134

Koch Industries grassroots! betsuni Feb 2022 #151

They might very well Cha Feb 2022 #152

This is from yesterday's email LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #154

What egos, eh? Team Blue PAC isn't "targeting JD candidates", they're SUPPORTING INCUMBENT... George II Feb 2022 #188

"Targeting" them -- always the victim of the big bad establishment out to get them, poor dears. betsuni Feb 2022 #197

First of all.. so sad they're Cha Feb 2022 #133

Thanks for posting their dubious emails. It's way past time Nixie Feb 2022 #150

No thinking to the left of center allowed. nt Hotler Feb 2022 #114

Left of Center? Their stated goal is to takeover the Dem Party from within. That They are not Democr Budi Feb 2022 #145

We have to win elections...and consider that why would the Democratic Majority want more Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #176

"Why are members of the hard-left targeting progressive members of Congress, and then trying betsuni Feb 2022 #148

+10000 Well said! Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #177

Democrats fight Democrats over where they stand LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #153

the brainchild of Zack Exley, founder of Brand New Congress and Justice Democrats. LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #233

Sounds good to me! JustAnotherGen Feb 2022 #187

TY Gen! Cha Feb 2022 #190

Remembering the Pew Political Typology quiz posted here and its lessons. Hortensis Feb 2022 #203

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2022 #223

By fighting off "progressives" the party is writing off the people who should be our base Withywindle Feb 2022 #225

I guess I'll probably get alerted on for this, but I have to spot a pattern Withywindle Feb 2022 #226

Just about everyone calling for forgiving student debt knows that Biden can't... George II Feb 2022 #227

Exactly TY! The Dem Party Deals Cha Feb 2022 #228

Of course, It's "an issure".. We want Cha Feb 2022 #231

Perfect UT_democrat Feb 2022 #229