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Bernardo de La Paz

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12. Come off it. You didn't bother looking up even basic facts and doing a little arithmetic
Wed Nov 10, 2021, 10:18 AM
Nov 2021

A desktop computer uses about 60-250 watts per hour, call it 0.2 kilowatts per hour on average. An ATM is basically a desktop computer, roughly, in terms of power. I suspect it uses less power than the average desktop computer.

There are 470,000 ATMs in the US. Multiply that by 1750 kwh per year (@0.2 kw/h) = 822,500,000 kwh per year = 0.822 TeraWattHours per year to run ATMs.

Compare that with bitcoin mining at 142 TeraWattHours per year and going up.

And you want to multiply that by 100 or some large number of city cryptocurrencies?



Making an ATM: it takes about 16,000 Kwh, all in (resource extraction, shipping, production), to make a car. An ATM would take a lot less. Imagine a stack of ATMs, maybe 20-30 to equal a car (5 x 2 x 2 or 3). Call it 20. So about 800 kwh per ATM.

They last, say, about 10 years each. Halve that and call it replacing them at 20% per year.

20% x 470,000 x 800 kwh = 75,2000,000 kwh = 0.075 Twh per year building ATMs. Compare again with 142 Twh per year.



And you want to eliminate 0.822 + 0.075 = 0.9 Twh per year and replace it with 142 Twh per year multiplied by a hundred city coins?
And you think that is greener.



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maybe the mayor could spend time getting the nypd under control n t msongs Nov 2021 #1
The amount of energy consummed by systems which mine and facilitate crypto currencies Ford_Prefect Nov 2021 #2
The existing financial system uses ten times the wattage of bitcoin Blues Heron Nov 2021 #6
You made me do a couple searches BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #11
great post, thanks Blues Heron Nov 2021 #15
And thank you for encouraging me to learn something new today! BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #16
Don't discard logic. That system would NOT go away if we switched completely to bitcoin Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #13
theres no need for an energy guzzling ATM if they take Bitcoin Blues Heron Nov 2021 #17
Armored cars? Seriously? Do the math on worldwide armored car energy. And see post 12 Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #19
well at least we can subtract that entire industry when cash is obsolete Blues Heron Nov 2021 #22
If every city has a "coin", it's a mess. And a waste of electricity in greenhouse world Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #3
think of the energy to mine the metal and other components to build an ATM Blues Heron Nov 2021 #9
Come off it. You didn't bother looking up even basic facts and doing a little arithmetic Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #12
good post Blues Heron Nov 2021 #21
Thanks. We can get to a progressive future. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #23
We had that once in America Roy Rolling Nov 2021 #4
coin Slammer Nov 2021 #5
You are right. You are not an expert. It is way way beyond "background programs". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #24
rolleyes Slammer Nov 2021 #29
( yawn ) Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #32
What could possibly go wrong? Deminpenn Nov 2021 #7
no one has to accept cash either Blues Heron Nov 2021 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author NYC Liberal Nov 2021 #30
You don't understand a bit if you say "why is anyone mining something that is completely made up?" Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #10
You are saying that giving a computer a complex math problem to solve is a valid method of exchange? Ford_Prefect Nov 2021 #14
I'm not invested in cryptocurrencies and I don't anticipate doing so. But think about mediums of exc Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #18
They can be checked for forgery - thats what the complex crypto is all about Blues Heron Nov 2021 #20
Admittedly, I don't know much about the cryptocurrancies Deminpenn Nov 2021 #26
They are NOT mined to "create" scarcity. They ARE scarce, mathematically Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #27
Security? lonely bird Nov 2021 #25
Large sections of NYC will be underwater in 20 years greenjar_01 Nov 2021 #28
What a idiot rockfordfile Nov 2021 #31
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