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In reply to the discussion: NYC is getting its own city coin in line with the incoming mayor's crypto hub vision [View all]Bernardo de La Paz
(59,546 posts)3. If every city has a "coin", it's a mess. And a waste of electricity in greenhouse world
If Able Baker in New York orders sugar from Charlie Delta in Miami and it is trucked by Extra Foxtrot based in Austin Texas, how is to be paid?
If AB pays with NYCCoin but CD needs to pay staff with MiamiCoin and pay EF with AustinCoin and pay Jamaica with US dollars, who gets rich? The "coin" brokers.
How green is it for all the cities in the US to launch mining operations as heavy as BitCoin's weight on climate change mitigation efforts? If it costs, say, 100 coal power plants to mostly fully mine a currency, then if there are a thousand competing city "coins", then that's 100,000 coal power plants. And for what end? If there is use for, say, a Trillion bucks worth of "coins" circulating, then a thousand coins means each one is only 1/1000 as useful, and thus has only 1/1000 value if it were the only one. (Note, some will have more value than others, but the sum and averages hold up, making the point).
I used the phrase "to mostly fully mine" because it gets worse. The more of a coin is "mined", the harder it is to find the remaining ones, and the amount of electricity used and fossil fuel emissions goes up.
Hint: it's not green to proliferate "coins".
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Sep. 25, 2021 Bitcoin mining is breathing life into aging fossil fuel power plants, creating a ... which currently permit subsidies to waste coal plants, ...
Powering bitcoin mining with waste coal isn't a green idea
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Jun. 24, 2021 Stronghold Digital Mining has raised $105 million to mine bitcoin using ... But waste coal plants cause horrendous pollution of their own, ...
China's bitcoin miner exodus - CNBC
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China is in the process of kicking out all its bitcoin miners, and many of ... and Inner Mongolia are home to many of China's coal plants.
Jun. 15, 2021
Bitcoin's alarming carbon footprint - Nature
https://www.nature.com correspondence
Feb. 7, 2018 The 'mining' process for the cryptocurrency bitcoin is power hungry, and is increasing its environmental impact as its price and popularity ...
https://www.nbcnews.com tech tech-news bitcoin-...
Sep. 25, 2021 Bitcoin mining is breathing life into aging fossil fuel power plants, creating a ... which currently permit subsidies to waste coal plants, ...
Powering bitcoin mining with waste coal isn't a green idea
https://qz.com powering-bitcoin-mining-with-waste-c...
Jun. 24, 2021 Stronghold Digital Mining has raised $105 million to mine bitcoin using ... But waste coal plants cause horrendous pollution of their own, ...
China's bitcoin miner exodus - CNBC
https://www.cnbc.com 2021/06/15 chinas-bitcoin-min...
China is in the process of kicking out all its bitcoin miners, and many of ... and Inner Mongolia are home to many of China's coal plants.
Jun. 15, 2021
Bitcoin's alarming carbon footprint - Nature
https://www.nature.com correspondence
Feb. 7, 2018 The 'mining' process for the cryptocurrency bitcoin is power hungry, and is increasing its environmental impact as its price and popularity ...
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NYC is getting its own city coin in line with the incoming mayor's crypto hub vision [View all]
Polybius
Nov 2021
OP
The amount of energy consummed by systems which mine and facilitate crypto currencies
Ford_Prefect
Nov 2021
#2
Don't discard logic. That system would NOT go away if we switched completely to bitcoin
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2021
#13
Armored cars? Seriously? Do the math on worldwide armored car energy. And see post 12
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2021
#19
If every city has a "coin", it's a mess. And a waste of electricity in greenhouse world
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2021
#3
Come off it. You didn't bother looking up even basic facts and doing a little arithmetic
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2021
#12
You are right. You are not an expert. It is way way beyond "background programs". . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2021
#24
You don't understand a bit if you say "why is anyone mining something that is completely made up?"
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2021
#10
You are saying that giving a computer a complex math problem to solve is a valid method of exchange?
Ford_Prefect
Nov 2021
#14
I'm not invested in cryptocurrencies and I don't anticipate doing so. But think about mediums of exc
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2021
#18
They can be checked for forgery - thats what the complex crypto is all about
Blues Heron
Nov 2021
#20
They are NOT mined to "create" scarcity. They ARE scarce, mathematically
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2021
#27