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22. Yes, Jefferson did own slaves.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 08:39 PM
Jun 2020

But it is not what he is known for. He didn't spend his time and energy and rhetoric on holding up the value of slavery and declaring it essential to some particular "way of life" that had to be defended with bloodshed against the possibility of change.

That is the difference between Thomas Jefferson and Jefferson Davis. There were men at the Continental
Congress who opposed slavery. They cut a political deal with the men from the slave-holding states. It wasn't pretty and slavery has been called America's original sin.

But they did what they did and founded a country. The price for the hypocrisy of our founders was paid in our civil war, and continues to be paid with the division that poisons our country.

But the words and the ideals are still valid even if the men penning them at the start didn't live up to those ideals. If you're going to tear down Jefferson's statue you may as well tear up the Declaration of Independence. The image of the man, the ideals of the man, and the flaws of the man are all one in the same.


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While we're at it bucolic_frolic Jun 2020 #1
The Theatre of the Absurd in its 21st century form. Steelrolled Jun 2020 #8
Now its just mindless fun. milestogo Jun 2020 #2
A wingnut told me they got an Abe Lincoln statue somewhere IronLionZion Jun 2020 #3
It was in Mass LeftInTX Jun 2020 #4
not so fast.... killaphill Jun 2020 #5
I like the idea of designing a new statue IronLionZion Jun 2020 #14
Had children with his slave Sally Hemmings. Estate didn't free children, IIRC bobbieinok Jun 2020 #7
All of his children were freed upon his death. MoonchildCA Jun 2020 #12
Thanks for info. Hadn't realized that, bobbieinok Jun 2020 #16
Two of Sally's daughters gladium et scutum Jun 2020 #19
It's hard to find Confederate statues in Oregon. Sneederbunk Jun 2020 #6
perhaps we should establish a commission RussBLib Jun 2020 #9
How about simply opposing slavery and not owning any... LanternWaste Jun 2020 #13
Well, that rules out statues of indigenous Americans. cigsandcoffee Jun 2020 #23
Jefferson was a complicated guy melm00se Jun 2020 #24
His slaves were mortgaged. Scruffy1 Jun 2020 #30
So were a lot melm00se Jun 2020 #33
I spent my Junior year of HS in the Portland School District (1966) Johnyawl Jun 2020 #10
This is getting stupid Drahthaardogs Jun 2020 #11
This is what conservatives always said would happen Sarg Jun 2020 #15
Yes, those crafty conservatives saw this coming. n/t cigsandcoffee Jun 2020 #26
Whatever side you may come down on, warmfeet Jun 2020 #17
I Believe RobinA Jun 2020 #34
Did Jefferson own slaves? n/t TheFourthMind Jun 2020 #18
Over 600 in his life time gladium et scutum Jun 2020 #20
Yes, Jefferson did own slaves. Collimator Jun 2020 #22
This is Great News! McKim Jun 2020 #21
Now they've gone too far Polybius Jun 2020 #25
Can Lincoln be far behind? nt sarisataka Jun 2020 #27
For what reason? nt Gore1FL Jun 2020 #28
He was a white supremacist sarisataka Jun 2020 #29
It's true he was a Unionist. His first priority was that. Gore1FL Jun 2020 #31
True, he did achieve both things sarisataka Jun 2020 #32
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