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DeSwiss

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29. I wasn't aware I was making anything sound like anything other than the facts.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:42 AM
Jul 2012

As you said, he was not the LIBOR Police. And as the head of the NY Fed, he discovers that Barlclays is not giving accurate information, thus rigging the LIBOR rate in favor of their clients. This is a crime. And he knew in that first moment when he discovered what was up, that the banks under his jurisdiction had been ripped off.

But instead of reporting this all to the ''proper'' authorities for criminal investigation (SEC, FBI, etc. -take your pick), he recommends ''remedies'' to ameliorate it. To smooth things over. Write things off as a ''financial anomaly.'' Or one of those freak one-in-a-million ''market corrections.'' Just the kind of wounded prey sound and bleating BS lawyers like to hear; which is exactly why a number of states Attorneys-General, as well as many large banks are lining-up their lawyers as we speak. This is the biggest swindle of all time. That we know of. But then it's always been rigged from the get-go. And the whole thing is coming apart and no amount of wishing it away is going to make it otherwise.

Timmeh knew that shenanigans were going on at Barclays, but he didn't tell anyone except the people in the exclusive TBTF Club. The result was The Great Recession (it followed immediately afterwards). So when TBTF banks can't pay their debts, we the Taxpayers pick up their bad paper. Much of which is inflated crappola.

- So we put in on the card and kick the can down the road a little further and leave it to our kids and grandkids worry about it. And the band played on.......

    Monkey with the paper

    When the U.S., and then the world's money economy started to crumble, the first thing capitalist economists could think of to do was to monkey with the paper. That's all they knew how to do. It was unthinkable that the tertiary virtual economy, that great backroom fraud of debt manipulation and fiat money, might have finally reached the limits of the material earth to support. That the money economy's gaming of workers and Mother Nature might itself might be the problem never occurred to the world's economic movers and shakers. It still hasn't. (Except for Chavez, Morales, Castro and Lula).

    Jobs disappeared, homes went to foreclosure, and personal debt was at staggering all time highs. America's working folks were taking it square in the face. Not that economists or financial kingpins cared much one way or the other. In the capitalist financial world, everything is an opportunity. Cancer? Build cancer hospital chains. Pollution? Sell pollution credits. The country gone bankrupt? "Nothing to do," cried the mad hatters of finance, "but print more money, and give gobs of cash to the banks! Yes, yes, yes! Borrow astronomical amounts of the stuff and bribe every fat cat financial corporation up and down The Street!" All of which came down to creating more debt for the common people to work off. They seem willing enough to do it too -- if only they had jobs.

    Along with the EU, Japan and the rest of the industrial world, the US continues to flood the market with cheap credit. That would be hunky dory, if was actually wealth for anybody but a banker. The real problems are debt and fraud, and tripling the debt in order to cover up the fraud. And pretending there no natural costs of our actions, that we do not have to rob the natural world to crank up the money world through debt.

    ~ Joe Bageant, "Waltzing at the Doomsday Ball"


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Geithner drawn into Libor scandal [View all] MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 OP
Why are you implying he did something wrong? pnwmom Jul 2012 #1
Maybe it's this passage... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #6
Geither had just been appointed in 2008, and it sounds like he gave reasonable advice. There is no pnwmom Jul 2012 #14
Was it his role to "give advice"? MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #20
Absolutely. pnwmom Jul 2012 #22
I guess I see the banking industry as having no national boundaries... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #24
I totally agree... SkyDaddy7 Jul 2012 #34
Agreed. I'm no fan of Geithner, but that's a sloppy headline. bluesbassman Jul 2012 #8
1) NY Fed knew for at least a year before any sort of memo was sent. 2) Nothing was said publicly. leveymg Jul 2012 #51
Um, that headline is a bit misleading tularetom Jul 2012 #2
''....he proposed remedies that would end those manipulations...'' DeSwiss Jul 2012 #9
If you know that he knew of specific crimes, when did you know? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #13
For fuck sake... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #16
I think I can; but others here are making up their own facts muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #31
Disagree.. I think that is a narrow understanding of Geithner's role... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #39
Good point. Psephos Jul 2012 #26
Lately it's become the ''standard defense''...... DeSwiss Jul 2012 #30
He wasn't the Libor police, he was head of the NY Federal Reserve tularetom Jul 2012 #28
I wasn't aware I was making anything sound like anything other than the facts. DeSwiss Jul 2012 #29
Where have you pulled "he discovers that Barclays is not giving accurate information" from? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #32
Excellent quote from "Waltzing at the Doomsday Ball"..Joe Bageant KoKo Jul 2012 #42
De Nada. DeSwiss Jul 2012 #45
The general movements were down : not up. dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #33
The LIBOR rates where illegally fixed downward because..... DeSwiss Jul 2012 #44
The movements were down to support their balance sheets dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #46
Sure they were ''supporting'' their balancesheets.... DeSwiss Jul 2012 #48
And by the way dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #47
I got that impression too Enrique Jul 2012 #21
how dare he try to solve the problem years before it became a scandal! unblock Jul 2012 #3
Is that Justice I hear knocking??? DeSwiss Jul 2012 #4
Justice?? Never in our lifetime.n/t truth2power Jul 2012 #11
shitty headline n/t maddezmom Jul 2012 #5
Hey, I have to put the headline that the WaPo used... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #7
hehe...there are no mods anymore just hosts maddezmom Jul 2012 #10
Well, to that, I'll just say that we should all keep following this... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #18
But the OP gives the distinct impression that you think the article indicates he did something wrong drm604 Jul 2012 #12
I am and always have been suspicious of Timmy... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #15
Just to repeat, totally bullshit headline BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #17
What would your headline have been? MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #19
Not playing BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #23
"Drawn in".... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #25
The $200 billion bail-out for predator banks and Spitzer charges are intimately linked midnight Jul 2012 #27
Geithner has cost Obama a ton of votes, IMHO. Hubert Flottz Jul 2012 #35
Trollish misleading headline notwithstanding.... scheming daemons Jul 2012 #36
new WaPo headline: Geithner made recommendations on Libor in 2008, documents show maddezmom Jul 2012 #37
It suggests more... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #40
The New York Times has a non-shit headline for this story WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #38
Yep, that was a better headline, more information with the same conclusion... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #41
Agree...those readers here who are informed on the financial KoKo Jul 2012 #43
Barclay's received hundreds of billions in US taxpayer bailout money... Octafish Jul 2012 #49
That was quite an article... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #50
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