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190. More than only bullying. Writing bills. Arm twisting one legislator at a time. Executive Orders.

Reply to highprincipleswork (Reply #174)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 03:24 AM

Jul 2016

Some other examples. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1535147

I always heard we had three co-equal branches with different functions, but according to DU, the President is too weak to be held accountable for anything but the Easter egg roll--maybe not even that. After all, that's what White House staff is for.. If the President is that weak,we should probably re-structure the entire government. And stop worrying who gets nominated or elected at the tune of a few billion bucks.

It's also kind of amusing: The Presidency is strong enough for a Republican President to kill America and every bit of decency in it, but not strong enough for a Democratic President to keep his or her campaign promises. Cool, then stop promising stuff for which you refuse to be accountable. You can't have it every which way.

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Jane Sanders: We're Going To Hold Clinton Accountable After Endorsing Her [View all] DonViejo Jul 2016 OP

Okie dokie, Jane leftofcool Jul 2016 #1

Yeah. You're right. Bad idea. tecelote Jul 2016 #90

. merrily Jul 2016 #177

I don't think I said that at all. Please don't think for me. I like to do that for myself. leftofcool Jul 2016 #227

The point is that she's not being supportive sunnystarr Jul 2016 #263

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #285

Did Jane say Hillary was a crook? yurbud Jul 2016 #294

That's nice. Brickbat Jul 2016 #2

She just won't fucking give up, will she? Hey Janie, speaking of accountability, where.... George II Jul 2016 #3

When Hillary releases her speeches. Red Knight Jul 2016 #72

+1000 LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #85

Hey - they dont need "us"..who the fuck do they think needs to join the "revolution" next to keep it pkdu Jul 2016 #112

Hillary promised to release her speeches when Trump released his taxes ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #116

She also promised to release them when Sanders and all occupants of the clown car released theirs. merrily Jul 2016 #183

Sanders never released his taxes either ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #235

He's not a nominee. merrily Jul 2016 #240

I think she should press the point about Trump's tax returns.. ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #242

IMO, Trump will have to produce his tax returns anyway. merrily Jul 2016 #244

I doubt Trump will *ever* release his taxes ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #247

plenty of wiggle room there. OwlinAZ Jul 2016 #216

No wiggle room at all ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #236

Time for the Sanders brownshirt wing to stop with the nonsense JoFerret Jul 2016 #206

I think the rest of the country holds every President responsible not a group with demosincebirth Jul 2016 #264

The best way to keep BS supporters in the fold is to assure them that their concerns... thesquanderer Jul 2016 #91

Some good points but JNelson6563 Jul 2016 #278

Democrats should be able to discuss the pros and cons of her strategy... thesquanderer Jul 2016 #281

Yes, yes, I know. JNelson6563 Jul 2016 #282

Of course you can feel however you want about the situation in general, but we are talking about... thesquanderer Jul 2016 #284

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #111

Riiight. Because Bernie is the unfaithful type. Give me a break. merrily Jul 2016 #184

We will never give up. Thank you :) grahamhgreen Jul 2016 #178

Why should he release his tax returns now? He didn't get the nom. merrily Jul 2016 #181

As someone who,supported Bernie and his progressive ideas adigal Jul 2016 #198

Just like people did with Obama in 2009? Within two weeks (a few days for some) he was being... George II Jul 2016 #223

See, LeFleur1 Jul 2016 #241

The fact that civics is no DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #253

Some high schools offer it as an elective. Mine did. Sand Rat Expat Jul 2016 #266

What's wrong with holding ALL our candidates accountable for promises they make? It only makes sense or else our votes are worthless. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #276

Nothing, but holding them accountable with a chip on one's shoulder, as Jane is doing.... George II Jul 2016 #279

Well, I'm going to hold Jane and Bernie accountable for getting us majorities in Congress. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #4

Oh, I get it. Because Jane and Bernie are the nominees AllyCat Jul 2016 #95

It's as logical as Jane pretending that Hillary can force Congress to do her bidding. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #96

It's not forcing Congress to do your bidding. It's staying true to policy promises that have been highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #101

No President can keep policy promises without a cooperative Congress. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #110

Ummm sorry, that's wrong. lapfog_1 Jul 2016 #115

You are right. A President can veto legislation. But a President cannot legislate. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #117

Not literally. But New Deal and Great Society legislation, the Civil Rights Act, ACA and others merrily Jul 2016 #179

Both President Roosevelt and Johnson had huuuuge Democratic majorities in both Houses of Congress to FreeStateDemocrat Jul 2016 #214

While *almost* technically true, your post is deceptively overly simplified. merrily Jul 2016 #224

ACA was passed with Democratic majorities in both Houses of Congress. Certainly it starts with a FreeStateDemocrat Jul 2016 #232

Not sure why you are repeating points from your Post 214. My Reply 224 addressed those points and merrily Jul 2016 #245

VERY wrong. Some of the most profound changes in the US originated with the Oval Office. merrily Jul 2016 #185

It's called "the bully pulpit" for a reason. I suppose LBJ had nothing to do with Civil Rights highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #174

We didn't have the "Hastert rule" in those days. People routinely made deals across party lines. pnwmom Jul 2016 #175

Excuses, excuses, excuses. She can live up to her word or not. highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #180

She, unlike Trump, isn't stupid enough to think "I alone can fix this." She needs us pnwmom Jul 2016 #191

Many people pretend the practical realities of a bureaucracy and party opposition are "an excuse." LanternWaste Aug 2016 #298

People still make deals across party lines, as did Sanders and McCain did with vets' legislation. merrily Jul 2016 #186

Is doing so a statistical standard? LanternWaste Aug 2016 #299

It's why pork was so critical sunnystarr Jul 2016 #257

That's true. Pork did serve a purpose. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #259

JFK too. Contrary to some, he had started work and negotiation on the Civil Rights Act but got shot. merrily Jul 2016 #188

More than only bullying. Writing bills. Arm twisting one legislator at a time. Executive Orders. merrily Jul 2016 #190

The new Dick Morris SirBrockington Jul 2016 #121

So we CAN't count on Hillary's promises, because Congress? Beartracks Jul 2016 #187

Hillary adopted much of Bernie's "pie-in-the-sky" agenda to unify the party. pnwmom Jul 2016 #193

This is how Republicans like Ronald Reagan get insane shit thru and Democrats settle for leftovers. highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #270

The Democrats don't follow Hastert's rule -- Republicans do. Democrats, OTOH, pnwmom Jul 2016 #271

Guess you don't like power much. highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #272

I don't like autocrats, no, I don't. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #273

Nobody's talking "autocrats". But I would say this ---- highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #274

Any President who thinks he can do it all alone is an autocrat. Hillary can't do it pnwmom Jul 2016 #275

And if we get 4 years of Trump SirBrockington Jul 2016 #105

Same here MelSC Jul 2016 #114

Well that's the strategy.Just get mad and blame them newthinking Jul 2016 #233

I have a confession to make... MelSC Jul 2016 #269

Holding our elected officials to their promises 'runs up their negatives' FailureToCommunicate Jul 2016 #144

LOL! No, that would be Hillary's coat tails. merrily Jul 2016 #182

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #194

Thank you Jane. Thank you Bernie. zentrum Jul 2016 #5

+1 bekkilyn Jul 2016 #8

+1 ClairDiamond Jul 2016 #9

+ 1 LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #119

Oy BeyondGeography Jul 2016 #6

Please go away. stopbush Jul 2016 #7

He was booed repeatedly, how does than translate into 'support and trust'? procon Jul 2016 #10

Who was booed??! What convention were YOU watching? WinkyDink Jul 2016 #289

Please. Use the Google before asking any more uniformed questions. nt procon Jul 2016 #292

Whatever. nt Maven Jul 2016 #11

Now Jane finally has time to find the tax returns. lapucelle Jul 2016 #12

We're not supposed to keep fighting the primaries. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #20

I'm not fighting the primaries. lapucelle Jul 2016 #48

apparently the jury is though Skittles Jul 2016 #127

! Adsos Letter Jul 2016 #165

I'm not following your point, but I'm glad that we agree lapucelle Jul 2016 #225

Sanders's unequivocal endorsement of Hillary signaled a true end to the primary fights. lapucelle Jul 2016 #234

I'm going to hold Jane Sanders accountable for the Burlington College students LisaM Jul 2016 #13

This. People who live n glass houses and all... lunamagica Jul 2016 #53

Absolutely the first! BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #64

^^^^^ (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #74

Ouch Stuckinthebush Jul 2016 #140

People who worked with madaboutharry Jul 2016 #14

That's no surprise BuddhaGirl Jul 2016 #89

Don't know about that, but she does tavernier Jul 2016 #93

Sounds like Hill OwlinAZ Jul 2016 #218

Put it to bed, give it up, Jane bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #15

This is a great point I've seen over the past few days, and I agree. phylny Jul 2016 #71

Yeah it will be anyone's fault but clinton and the dnc That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #195

The party would be in worse shape in the public's mind bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #201

Usurper? Wait a minute I thought implying "Queen Hillary" was verbotten. That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #260

Yes it is OwlinAZ Jul 2016 #219

Ya Jane the defunct college thanks your accountability too. misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #16

You LOST, just as did Cruz, Bush, Rubio, Kasich, et al.. LOSERS DO NOT GET TO DICTATE. WinkyDink Jul 2016 #17

Yeah, how silly to try to hold a politician to her promises. Scuba Jul 2016 #23

Completely outrageous!! Accountability? Next thing you'll be demanding transparency!! PoutrageFatigue Jul 2016 #38

Yeah, transparency! Like they releasing their tax returns... lunamagica Jul 2016 #57

Is that a requirement? PoutrageFatigue Jul 2016 #83

It's tradition, and every candidate who wants to be open, TRASPARENT and has nothing to hide lunamagica Jul 2016 #87

Nope. It's traditional for the NOMINEEs, not the candidates. truebluegreen Jul 2016 #167

Have you forgotten that he promised to release them in April? lunamagica Jul 2016 #169

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #296

Blows my fucking mind. pangaia Jul 2016 #50

Its not Bernie. Its the hypocrisy of Jane Sanders. misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #66

+1 Red Knight Jul 2016 #73

Yes, holding hillary to her word is a horrible, terrible, no good, very bad thing adigal Jul 2016 #202

Absolutely. pangaia Jul 2016 #230

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #288

I will hold her accountable too bluestateguy Jul 2016 #18

Well said Jane. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #19

Whatever you say wysi Jul 2016 #21

I'm fine with that. See you in December, Jane. nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #22

When shouldn't elected officials be accountable? It should be obvious. floriduck Jul 2016 #24

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #80

Pure bullshit!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #98

I can't believe I just read that. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2016 #118

Jane isn't saying anything unusual, although she might think she is. Koinos Jul 2016 #25

How much Sanders campaigns for HRC is also her decision. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #277

I know I'll get smoked for saying this but I'll say it anyway... Still In Wisconsin Jul 2016 #26

I don't think it's that.... LisaM Jul 2016 #31

Yeah, I see that. Maybe overplaying her hand a bit. n/t Still In Wisconsin Jul 2016 #34

It seems as though her hand... wysi Jul 2016 #43

Nah she's at least got a pair... Still In Wisconsin Jul 2016 #69

If she was playing Euchre wysi Jul 2016 #124

Ahh Euchre... Still In Wisconsin Jul 2016 #141

Does it HAVE To be said? stopbush Jul 2016 #131

A lot of posters here get really pissed off when activist try to hold Democrats accountable. That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #197

Agreed. GreenPartyVoter Jul 2016 #215

I'm sure her heart is in the right place... Blanks Jul 2016 #27

I may be totally naive but... Still In Wisconsin Jul 2016 #36

You could be right... Blanks Jul 2016 #42

Sorry but no. That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #200

I'm a clothespin Hillary voter, Kaine almost ended that for me adigal Jul 2016 #203

Lol, and we rip the GOP for being judgemental. Lobo27 Jul 2016 #28

Great! We should all hold our elected officials accountable. Gore1FL Jul 2016 #29

Who's going to hold Jane accountable for running Burlington College into the ground? jmowreader Jul 2016 #30

Perhaps the citizens of Vermont, or the members of that college district? Raster Jul 2016 #46

What does Burlington College have to do with this? pangaia Jul 2016 #58

do the Sanders work for Donald, or are they just donating thier time to get him elected? olddad56 Jul 2016 #32

Operationally, this means street protests in DC if/when ... philly_bob Jul 2016 #33

And... wysi Jul 2016 #44

Well, now I can feel confident after reading your statement. chwaliszewski Jul 2016 #77

You're thinking of the republican candidate wysi Jul 2016 #122

I was sarcastically responding to your proclamation that... chwaliszewski Jul 2016 #157

It would be more appropriate if she had waited til after the convention to say all this. n/t patricia92243 Jul 2016 #35

Why? OwlinAZ Jul 2016 #217

Stop...Really...Just Stop Me. Jul 2016 #37

Why is it Dems are the only group that must be accountable for the way government runs? Rex Jul 2016 #39

In no small part because the TeaPubLieKLANs are anti government loons TheKentuckian Jul 2016 #287

Jane who? NurseJackie Jul 2016 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author David__77 Jul 2016 #82

Fair enough. That's what we do, hold politicians accountable. Crappy timing though emulatorloo Jul 2016 #41

exactly - this is not controversial, but the timing... sucks 0rganism Jul 2016 #47

"is there a Democrat who doesn't want President Clinton to uphold the Democratic platform?" Yes! That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #207

Good. We need to hold our leaders accountable.n/t TDale313 Jul 2016 #45

The people bashing Jane in this thread need to stop. Odin2005 Jul 2016 #49

Well... first they need to actually be in elective office. nt DURHAM D Jul 2016 #51

Go away Jane. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #52

Should Hillary follow through on her commitments and promises? think Jul 2016 #56

I'm sure you are referring to releasing tax returns giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #149

Thank you for staying on topic. Hope you have a nice night. think Jul 2016 #150

It has become traditional for presidential NOMINEES truebluegreen Jul 2016 #166

Lol, it's also traditional for losers to shut up & go away after. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #208

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #54

Say what? "Fat faces"? theaocp Jul 2016 #65

This is what I told Bernie supporters to do way back when UMTerp01 Jul 2016 #55

Thanks for your comments. David__77 Jul 2016 #86

LOL at those getting defensive. retrowire Jul 2016 #59

Well, said! Lars39 Jul 2016 #76

but they AREN'T *all held accountable* Skittles Jul 2016 #128

You're living in a bubble if you believe that. retrowire Jul 2016 #148

it's nowhere near the level of Hillary Skittles Jul 2016 #151

Baloney! I'm very disappointed in Obama for continued attacks adigal Jul 2016 #205

LOLOL Skittles Jul 2016 #268

I'm holding her accountable for my huge headache. n/t NNadir Jul 2016 #60

Hey, wait a sec! rock Jul 2016 #61

Great Jane. Rustyeye77 Jul 2016 #62

hillary is human, we will wish to hold her accountable and she mostly will be but sometimes..... msongs Jul 2016 #63

Jane, you're playing a game you never can win. johnp3907 Jul 2016 #67

I like the message, though, as some have pointed out theaocp Jul 2016 #68

The timing is fine LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #103

+1 hereforthevoting Jul 2016 #192

The Ministry Of Holding Their Feet To The Fire CentralMass Jul 2016 #70

Good Arazi Jul 2016 #75

Go do your taxes Jane. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2016 #78

Jane go home and fix those tax returns I feel an audit coming on..... Historic NY Jul 2016 #79

What do her taxes have to do with this? David__77 Jul 2016 #84

Thank you Jane Sanders. David__77 Jul 2016 #81

Why does this make my blood boil? Politicub Jul 2016 #88

It shouldn't democrattotheend Jul 2016 #256

Jane Sanders needs to be held accountable for the thousands of defrauded students Tarc Jul 2016 #92

As it should be. Thanks Jane! jalan48 Jul 2016 #94

Fair enough; I continue to hold Sanders accountable for actions of his minions (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #97

Stupid comparison democrattotheend Jul 2016 #145

Sanders' own actions, and inaction, are why his rank and file are acting the way they are (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #155

It was fostered and allowed to continue unabated basically until Monday morning. SirBrockington Jul 2016 #159

It was not 50/50 democrattotheend Jul 2016 #160

No, if it was because of Sanders actions, it would have gone away with his endorsement. That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #204

It was out of control long before the endorsement finally came LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #229

Which people"observed that the Senator had let things get out of hand", the DNC that backed Clinton? That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #258

The gig was up when he said he's known her 25 years SirBrockington Jul 2016 #99

I wish we could have held Obama accountable. ozone_man Jul 2016 #100

More bullshit!! Ask yourself WHY Obama Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #107

I think Obama had both houses of Congress to start. ozone_man Jul 2016 #126

President Obama has accomplished an amazing amount in his years in office csziggy Jul 2016 #138

I think that's way exaggerated adigal Jul 2016 #209

Good for her wallyworld2 Jul 2016 #102

a perfectly reasonable attitude that Sander's detractors have failed to stupidicus Jul 2016 #104

The mean spirited attitude of so many posters here is really rather frightening GeoWilliam750 Jul 2016 #106

Oh please! The person who posted this thread Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #113

Is this post supposed to make me want to become an enthusiastic Hillary supporter? GeoWilliam750 Jul 2016 #120

I really don't give a damn. This is a free Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #129

+1 SirBrockington Jul 2016 #147

Sounds like you're holding out for something. Demit Jul 2016 #146

One might think that courtesy and decency would be a good start for unifying the party GeoWilliam750 Jul 2016 #168

Williams point made LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #123

I'm not licking rabid Sanders fans who cant Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #130

Alrighty then LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #134

Posting this snark crap does not help matters Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #135

I just shake my head adigal Jul 2016 #212

Agreed GummyBearz Jul 2016 #237

It's hard to fathom and best ignored. OwlinAZ Jul 2016 #220

Indeed. Wednesdays Jul 2016 #238

sad enid602 Jul 2016 #108

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #109

LOL Skittles Jul 2016 #125

How is this controversial to anyone? AZ Mike Jul 2016 #132

Holding our elected representatives (including president) accountable Martin Eden Jul 2016 #133

There is nothing wrong with... Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #136

We should hold the Bernie accountable for berniebusters?..., beachbumbob Jul 2016 #137

Yes, as citizens in a democracy, we all should. The level of bile and anger on this thread is FailureToCommunicate Jul 2016 #139

Bernie supporters need mirrors. WinkyDink Jul 2016 #290

I would expect nothing less democrattotheend Jul 2016 #142

I think what she is saying hollowdweller Jul 2016 #143

key word "after" DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #152

I regret my primary vote for oswaldactedalone Jul 2016 #153

it was evident to many of us long ago Skittles Jul 2016 #154

How old are you? OwlinAZ Jul 2016 #221

If you're referring to me oswaldactedalone Jul 2016 #265

What was petty about what she said? democrattotheend Jul 2016 #254

You are the spoiled brat and a vulgar brat to boot. OwlinAZ Jul 2016 #286

Peace to you oswaldactedalone Jul 2016 #293

You know a lot of Bernie supporters are kacekwl Jul 2016 #156

Shouldn't we all hold her accountable to,her promises? Philly-Union-Man Jul 2016 #158

That is how I read it as well democrattotheend Jul 2016 #255

Sour grapes, special on aisle 3 joeybee12 Jul 2016 #161

Dear Lord...how is this even controversial?! WIProgressive88 Jul 2016 #162

It is not controversial. This site is overrun by the immature. OwlinAZ Jul 2016 #222

Well Jane mercuryblues Jul 2016 #163

Yawn That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #210

As we all should dflprincess Jul 2016 #164

Am I on FR? JesterCS Jul 2016 #170

There are a few on here that remind me of bush's dead-enders. Loyal from begining to the end. n/t That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #211

This place has become infested by trolls LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #246

Keep talking… unitedwethrive Jul 2016 #171

As We All Should colsohlibgal Jul 2016 #172

Sure that's fine. apnu Jul 2016 #173

Yeah, that's great, Jane. NanceGreggs Jul 2016 #176

Jane Sanders better look over her shoulder. RandySF Jul 2016 #189

Go away already. JoFerret Jul 2016 #196

June 7? onenote Jul 2016 #199

We should all do our best GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #213

Time to drop it. If Sanders supporters aren't on board now, they will never be. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #226

Absolutely hold the Clinton admin accountable. We all should. This is serious business. judesedit Jul 2016 #228

The divide here remains deep, and it doesn't bode well True Dough Jul 2016 #231

Your hand-wringing is noted. Wednesdays Jul 2016 #239

What is that? True Dough Jul 2016 #249

It's a gutless, passive-aggressive way of calling you a troll. QC Jul 2016 #251

That's what I figured True Dough Jul 2016 #252

I, too, will be holding Clinton accountable. bigwillq Jul 2016 #243

And that's only fair. Republican obstruction not withstanding of course, which is why it is so vital OnDoutside Jul 2016 #248

Hear! Hear! Raster Jul 2016 #250

Same. And I expect Bernie will hold her accountable too democrattotheend Aug 2016 #297

Maybe I'm naive Mellomugwump Jul 2016 #261

And another thing... Mellomugwump Jul 2016 #262

Great post! athena Jul 2016 #267

This message was self-deleted by its author Mellomugwump Jul 2016 #280

Nothing wrong with that. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #283

Obama had "The Audacity of Hope." Jane has "The Arrogance of Defeat." Sick of this "HRC better....or WinkyDink Jul 2016 #291

"Trust but verify," as Reagan said, and he's someone DLCers criticize as rarely as they praise FDR yurbud Jul 2016 #295

Just curious, how does she intend to do this? hughee99 Aug 2016 #300

I would love to see Jane Sanders and Hillary Clinton speaking to each other bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #301