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karynnj

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49. He isn't .... the issues are FOIA, transparency and open government
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:51 AM
Apr 2016

All things that are and were advocated by many Democrats, including powerful people in office and people on message boards.

Not all the 38 suits were filed by Klayman. From what we already know, no FOIA request that SHOULD HAVE RESULTED with Clinton email can be assumed to have been done correctly and there is real reason to question them. This means that for 6 years - 2009 - 2014 - we know that the SD did not even have 100% of her email. We know that for much of 2014, the State Department - at the highest levels - was negotiating with Clinton to get them back.

This is a mess of Clintons making. She knew the following when she left without leaving the messages:

1) There were already dozens of FOIA requests that should have those emails
2) She knew that, given that she intended to run for President, that there would be an intense effort to get the emails.


What she gambled on was:
1) Any emails she wrote would have the email address redacted other than that it was not a government id. This would not necessarily raise red flags as THAT is equivalent to what could happen even when officials normally use their state.gov account.
2) The State Department would cover for her for 4 years rather than risk being blamed with hurting the current Democratic administration and the leading Presidential nominee. They didn't once it became clear that she had not archived her email.

What is clear is how badly Clinton's lack of judgment hurt her. In 2013, it was very clear in all SD answers to Congress on the Clinton stuff, that they wanted that issue finished so they could deal with real SD concerns. If everything had been there - especially if everything was archived in real time - the SD could have done the FOIAs and Congressional inquiries and it would have been over years ago. (Note - it was learning that she had a private server that led to ALL the emails having to go thru the FOIA process (to redact anything that should be) to be put on line. It also meant that it was nearly 10 months between when State first asked Clinton for the email and they received them ... on paper.

In retrospect, consider the chutzpah that HRC after deciding to use her own server - with NONE OF THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE SD ONE - did not have separate accounts for personal and private email. (As she was not on the State Department system, this could have been done with one blackberry.) Failing to do that, she could have separated them into two "folders". Next issue, why did she not have a real time (or monthly or even yearly) process to identify SD emails and send them to the SD archives. Failing that, why did she not split the emails after she left office in case they were needed.

At the point when the SD demanded the emails, it would have been in her interest to IMMEDIATELY have given an electronic version of everything on that server to the SD so they could quickly respond to all these requests. FOIA requests are for SPECIFIC things - and frankly no one making them was looking to know more about Chelsea's wedding. AFTER giving them to State, she could have had an aide work with the SD cull out the private messages.

Had she done this, the State Department could have handled the FOIA and Congressional inquiries starting in spring 2013, not mid 2014 ... and it might never have come out that she had a server at her home.

While I hate JW, I thing Hillary Clinton is 100% responsible for the place she is in now. Not to mention, if there were no JW suit - we would likely be hearing of one of the others -- from very legitimate media sources.

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apparently happened late Friday tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #1
So this is why Hillary Lawyered Up already FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #17
No, this is one of the 38 (or 39?) *CIVIL* lawsuits. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #25
It is most likely that the FBI has begun the process CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #55
I think you are right, with one additional "denial isn't just a river" point IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #60
I have been thinking about that and not too longer afterwards Biden came out and made a statement Samantha Apr 2016 #70
Obama's comments on Fox last week were inappropriate. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #75
I wonder who'll be next. Aldo Leopold Apr 2016 #2
"Longtime Clinton Attorney Now Representing Hillary in FBI’s Criminal Probe" tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #3
Interesting also, is that James Comey CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #63
"Judicial Watch" is a joke. Archae Apr 2016 #4
great news tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #6
and two federal judges are in on it,too. nt grasswire Apr 2016 #34
There are RW Federal judges too (in rather large numbers, COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #46
Sullivan was appointed by Clinton to the US District Court Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #51
Hard to fathom how we let Klayman's group of COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #53
It's not just them - AP News was trying to get info from 2010 on. Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #56
AP has a much greater role in this than Klayman's group COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #72
Who they are adds insult to injury, but unfortunately it is Clinton's actions that put them in karynnj Apr 2016 #10
I can't believe any sane Judge would let them COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #12
They were the first of the 38 or 39 civil lawsuits to advance this far. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #26
Yep. I always rely on crazy Larry Klayman for sound legal COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #40
Most Democrats have a respect for transparency in government IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #41
Anything to do with Klayman and Judicial Watch has COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #45
Judicial Watch are a group of un-American right wing nutjobs rockfordfile Apr 2016 #62
Say what you want; this time they are in the right. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #68
Yep. The leader said it was time for the Muslim to leave the WH. stopbush Apr 2016 #30
39 lawsuits and counting. The two party system worked as designed: IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #42
How about you be better than supporting a candidate stopbush Apr 2016 #50
Sanders has nothing to do with Hillary's legal problems. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #58
At present, Hillary has no legal problems. stopbush Apr 2016 #61
39 Civil Suits with her name on them -- IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #66
Those "suits" will go as far as have all the other suits. stopbush Apr 2016 #67
Again, this is not a Sanders problem. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #69
Yeah, well, AP News also sued because of no action on their FOIA requests Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #54
+1 Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #85
drip, drip, drip BigBearJohn Apr 2016 #5
.... rbrnmw Apr 2016 #83
The OBVIOUS question is why are they having some outside group do it instead of the government? pdsimdars Apr 2016 #7
Judicial Watch filed many FOIA requests that they now claim were not responded to in a timely karynnj Apr 2016 #11
Nothing was covered up? All of Hilliary's emails were kept hidden from FOIA discovery Akicita Apr 2016 #18
Agree completely I had meant that there was no crime that was covered up karynnj Apr 2016 #19
The well informed know that the SD demanded the emails back. Shame on the news media for allowing Akicita Apr 2016 #20
They did not make the demand until forced to by the courts. Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #59
Not completely true karynnj Apr 2016 #65
Well, I don't know what is completely true. I am trying to post the Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #71
Your links are good karynnj Apr 2016 #73
Very plausible, thanks very much. Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #79
Kick and R BeanMusical Apr 2016 #8
Sad that other groups didn't rise to the task of supporting the FOIA Babel_17 Apr 2016 #9
There are 38 other lawsuits going on and one has already progressed IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #27
Thank you for that information, it's much appreciated Babel_17 Apr 2016 #35
Beating a dead horse again... beastie boy Apr 2016 #13
That's the Clinton playbook alright. Drag it out, drag it out, then say it is old news. Akicita Apr 2016 #21
Oh damn, another loony conspiracy... beastie boy Apr 2016 #22
You know your post makes NO SENSE, don't you? BillZBubb Apr 2016 #28
It was intentional. How can a response to a nonsensical post possibly make sense? beastie boy Apr 2016 #38
Hillary has "Lawyered Up" FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #14
It usually means the FBI probe is looking serious. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #29
Criminal Attorney too FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #32
She can and should have a lawyer. Kingofalldems Apr 2016 #36
She didn't Lawyer up for the Benghazi hearings - why now FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #37
Keep dreaming. Kingofalldems Apr 2016 #39
David Kendall was there during the 11 hour Benghazi hearing. tammywammy Apr 2016 #64
oops.. sorry, I didn't see your post. Will delete mine. nt antigop Apr 2016 #15
It's good they seem to be trying to get to the bottom of this Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #16
I disagree karynnj Apr 2016 #23
plan to thwart legitimate oversight of her State Department Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #48
Politico says Cheryl Mills, Huma Abedin, and Bryan Pagliano antigop Apr 2016 #24
This seems to me to be thorough enough. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #76
This is disgusting we should be holding our own accountable. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #31
because they want to DRAG this out MFM008 Apr 2016 #33
This is driven by the lack of transparency in the State Department. branford Apr 2016 #43
Nice to see Larry Klayman getting respect Beaverhausen Apr 2016 #44
He isn't .... the issues are FOIA, transparency and open government karynnj Apr 2016 #49
I am disgusted that we're back to having to defend a Clinton again, parsing words and legalities riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #47
^THIS^ DebbieCDC Apr 2016 #74
Bingo. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #77
Larry Klayman is barely an attorney and is a joke Gothmog Apr 2016 #52
Yes, thank God its Larry Klayman and JW and not some far right nut jobs!!! HAHAHA winstars Apr 2016 #57
There are 38 or 39 separate lawsuits because FOIA matters. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #78
Thanks for that information... winstars Apr 2016 #82
Glaring bad judgment by H. Clinton to have handled govt. communications this way tabasco Apr 2016 #80
Clinton Counting on Wins in New York FastLearner Apr 2016 #81
I'd be very surprised if they said anything Calista241 Apr 2016 #84
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