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newthinking

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18. They did not invade Crimea. They were there already and have *always* had Military there
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:03 PM
Feb 2016

The media reinterprets events. However, the first "little green men" were Crimean Militia. It was only after the militia first stood up and the Parliment of "The Autonomous Republic of Crimea" declared the overthrow in Kiev unconstitutional and asked Russia to help secure the border that Russia stood up their forces there.

Certainly Russia was only too glad to assist. No doubt about that. But it was the events in Kiev that led to the entire thing. It was also the replacement of a MAJORITY party in Kiev (80% of Crimea was "Party Of Regions&quot was replaced by a government of MINORITY parties, most extreme or very extreme, that drove the people of Crimea to Russia.

34% is completely bullshit simply by common sense and knowing that the previous autonomy referendum was fully embraced and the polling (by US orgs) showed that the majority were happy with the results.

Yes there were likely some shenanigans. Clean elections are very difficult to enforce in all democracies. We have very severe issues with our own election honesty. But the Crimean referendum is backed by historical precident and party composition of the region.

I see these claims no different than I would if someone claimed that a solid blue state had some voting irregularities and that they had actually voted in a Republican President.

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Excellent interview swilton Feb 2016 #1
Any sound and advanced relations with the US and EU are out of the question until Russia gives back Little Tich Feb 2016 #2
Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to join Russia. polly7 Feb 2016 #3
It was a sham election made at gunpoint, and declared illegitimate by the rest of the world... Little Tich Feb 2016 #4
No. polly7 Feb 2016 #6
Excellent post: It is hard to hide the truth on the internet (at least if people want to know it) newthinking Feb 2016 #10
You said it "(at least if people want to know it)". polly7 Feb 2016 #12
I don't understand why Russia had to invade Crimea first and justify their actions by a referendum Little Tich Feb 2016 #14
LOL. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #15
They did not invade Crimea. They were there already and have *always* had Military there newthinking Feb 2016 #18
To understand the events in Ukraine you must understand the "first" Maidan - Orange Revolution 2004 newthinking Feb 2016 #19
All of this doesn't explain why Russia got involved. Little Tich Feb 2016 #20
The Propaganda War Over Crimea's Break From Ukraine newthinking Feb 2016 #5
Thank you for facts. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #7
You bet : Map image newthinking Feb 2016 #8
........ polly7 Feb 2016 #9
Funny how *nobody* in the MSM mentions the actual name of "Crimea" before the referendum? newthinking Feb 2016 #11
You are right. It's all totally bizarre. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #13
We often rationalize Moscow's penchant for anschluss as invitation. LanternWaste Feb 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Feb 2016 #17
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