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JonLP24

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21. I highly recomend bob's sources to readers
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 06:57 AM
Jul 2015

I've only gone through a fraction, the runesoup one has links that explain this and go into all sorts of directions make sense of a lot of a lot things. It was helpful in explaining a lot of the spy apparatus history because I can't really trace it pre-Hoover. I don't know if there are any McKinley assassination theories but it is interesting it lead to the creation of the Secret Service and followed anti-Anarchist laws & the occult stuff is very interesting.

Sirhan Sirhan

Sirhan was born into a Palestinian Christian family[3][4] in Jerusalem, Mandatory Palestine. When he was 12 years old, his family emigrated, moving briefly to New York and then to California. In Altadena, he attended Eliot Junior High School, followed by John Muir High School and Pasadena City College, both in Pasadena. Sirhan's father, Bishara, was characterized as a stern man who often beat his sons harshly. Shortly after the family's move to California, Bishara returned alone to the Middle East.[5] Sirhan never became an American citizen, retaining instead his Jordanian citizenship.[4]

As an adult, Sirhan changed church denominations several times, joining Baptist and Seventh-day Adventist churches.[citation needed] Then in 1966, he joined the occult organization Ancient Mystical Order of the Rose Cross, commonly known as Rosicrucians.[6] The significance of this surfaced later, when some psychiatrists who examined him allegedly found that he appeared to have been hypnotized.[7] Sirhan was employed as a stable boy in 1965 at the Santa Anita race track in Arcadia, California.[8]

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On June 5, 1968, Sirhan fired a .22 caliber Iver-Johnson Cadet revolver[9] at Senator Robert Kennedy and the crowd surrounding him in the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles shortly after Kennedy had finished addressing supporters in the hotel's main ballroom. George Plimpton, Rosey Grier, author Pete Hamill, and 1960 Olympic gold medalist Rafer Johnson were among several men who subdued and disarmed Sirhan after a lengthy struggle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirhan_Sirhan

Correctional Training Facility



In 1971, Sirhan was housed in the Adjustment Center at San Quentin State Prison.[30] He was subsequently transferred to the Correctional Training Facility (CTF) in Soledad, California, where he was confined until 1992.[31][32] From 1992 to 2009, he was confined at the California State Prison (COR) in Corcoran, California, and lived in COR's Protective Housing Unit until he was moved to a harsher lockdown at COR in 2003.[31] In October 2009, ostensibly for his own safety, he was transferred to the Pleasant Valley State Prison in Coalinga, California, where he was housed in a cell by himself.[33] He was subsequently moved back to Corcoran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirhan_Sirhan

Correctional Training Facility

Notable inmates

Bunchy Carter
Juan Corona
Mark Rogowski
Sirhan Sirhan
Soledad Brothers
Dan White

Bunchy Carter

In the early 1960s Carter was a member of the Slauson street gang in Los Angeles. He became a member of the Slauson "Renegades", a hard-core inner circle of the gang, and earned the nickname "Mayor of the Ghetto". Carter was eventually convicted of armed robbery and was imprisoned in Soledad prison for four years. While incarcerated Carter became influenced by the Nation of Islam and the teachings of Malcolm X, and he converted to Islam. He would later renounce Islam after an encounter with Eldridge Cleaver citing contradictions and focus on the black liberation struggle. After his release, Carter met Huey Newton, one of the founders of the Black Panther Party, and was convinced to join the party in 1967.

(it is interesting he was influenced by NOI at the same prison god knows what they did with Sirhan Sirhan)

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The Black Panthers were referred to as "the greatest threat to the internal security of the country" by FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, and the party was targeted by the secret FBI operation known as COINTELPRO. As later revealed later in Senate testimony, the FBI worked with the Los Angeles Police Department to harass and intimidate party members. In 1968 and 1969, numerous false arrests and warrantless searches were documented, and several members were killed in altercations with the police. "The Breakfast for Children Program," wrote Hoover in an internal FBI memo in May 1969, "represents the best and most influential activity going for the BPP and, as such, is potentially the greatest threat to efforts by authorities to neutralize the BPP and destroy what it stands for." The breakfast program was effectively shut down by daily arrests of members; however, those charges were usually dropped within a week. Later in 1969, Hoover sent orders to FBI field offices: "exploit all avenues of creating dissension within the ranks of the BPP", and "submit imaginative and hard-hitting counterintelligence measures aimed at crippling the BPP".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunchy_Carter

Back to Sirhan Sirhan. I don't think many people are aware of the Jordan being the US spy capital of Southwest Asia. More renditions took place in Jordan than anywhere else. Jordan was an the Wahabbis ally when the Ottoman Empire was broken up.

(I swear on everything the Wikipedia editing changed since I started posting it -- I would like to read it first to see the kind of details to the confessions -- the beginning is filled with "forgeries", "nonsense", -- the spies are so transparent)

In the book, a British spy named Hempher, working in the early 1700s, tells of disguising himself as a Muslim and infiltrating the Ottoman Empire with the goal of weakening it to destroy Islam once and for all. He tells his readers: "when the unity of Muslims is broken and the common sympathy among them is impaired, their forces will be dissolved and thus we shall easily destroy them... We, the English people, have to make mischief and arouse schism in all our colonies in order that we may live in welfare and luxury."[5]

Hempher intends ultimately to weaken Muslim morals by promoting "alcohol and fornication," but his first step is to promote innovation and disorder in Islam by creating Wahhabism, which is to gain credibility by being on the surface morally strict. For this purpose, he enlists "a gullible, hotheaded young Iraqi in Basra named Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab". [4] Hempher corrupts and flatters Wahhab until the man is willing to found his own sect. According to Hempher, he is one of 5,000 British agents with the assignment of weakening Muslims, which the British government plans to increase to 100,000 by the end of the 18th century. Hempher writes, "when we reach this number we shall have brought all Muslims under our sway" and Islam will be rendered "into a miserable state from which it will never recover again."[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoirs_of_Mr._Hempher,_The_British_Spy_to_the_Middle_East

They even changed the content to "Iraqi from Basra". WTF is going on with the Wiki edits? al-Wahhab was a preacher from Najd in what is present day Saudi Arabia -- the location of Riyadh.

Anyway, for some reason I wasn't sure the "confessions" were true whoever decided to change the edits on page is either a spy or doing their job for free.

Back to Jordan

Ex-Jordanian Spy Says Jordan Regime is Anti-Israel

A member of the Jordanian opposition, who used to be a senior level intelligence agent, claims that the Hashemite dynasty in Jordan supports the Muslim Brotherhood and is no friend of the State of Israel.

Ouni Abed Botrous Hadaddeen is a former senior level Jordanian agent who is Christian. He defected from Jordan because he objected to the Jordanian monarchy’s practice of assassinating Jordanian citizens who have protested against the current regime. Ouni was born to the tribe of Hadadeen, which is supportive of the Hashemite dynasty that has traditionally filled significant positions within the Jordanian government and armed services. While he worked as a senior level Jordanian intelligence “collaborator” (spy), Ouni was ordered by the Jordanian government to confront anti-government protests and to lead counter protests in support of the Jordanian monarchy. In addition, he was told to write articles within the Arab media in support of the Jordanian government to prevent Jordan’s power base from collapsing, as was the case in Egypt during the “Arab Spring”. Hadaddeen claims that supporting the current Jordanian regime is not in the best interest of Israel and has accused Jordan’s King Abdullah of manipulating the Jordanian people to have negative views and even hatred of Israel.

Hadaddeen is presently a political refugee in Norway, while his family remains within Jordan. He claims that the Jordanian government has constantly threatened to rape and murder his wife and three young daughters. When asked if the threats were credible, Ouni said that rape is a systematic tool used by the Jordanian intelligence and the fact that he is Christian, rather than from a Muslim tribe, makes the regime less concerned about repercussions. Despite the threats, Hadaddeen continues to be an outspoken advocate against the Jordanian monarchy, out of the belief that at this point only public exposure will help his family.

There is evidence to back up Ouni’s claim that the Jordanian regime is fomenting hatred for Israel among the Jordanian people. The Jordanian educational system, instead of teaching the country’s youth to peacefully co-exist with Israel, educates youngsters that Palestine was stolen by the Jews. A report published by Anti-Semitism and Xenophobia Today, states that in Jordanian school textbooks, “references to Zionists as agents of imperialism and proponents of expansionists’ schemes […] occur.” Many of the anti-Israel textbooks that are presently used within Palestinian schools were originally Jordanian textbooks.

http://unitedwithisrael.org/ex-jordanian-intelligence-collaborator-says-jordan-regime-is-anti-israel/

Anyone that doubts the truth lacks a cold reality check though I wouldn't wish a cold reality check on my worst enemy. I don't think people realize they are psychological manipulating the public as well. The secrets aren't being kept from "our" enemies because their enemies already know the truth. The secrets are being kept from us and it damages their behavior. CIA recently blocked Bay of Pigs release because it would "confuse the public".

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Especially the medical profession JonLP24 Jul 2015 #9
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it does always go back to SE Asia, doesn't it? (though Lansdale was technically the Philippines) MisterP Jul 2015 #8
Hidden history is my primary interest JonLP24 Jul 2015 #10
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Sounds like you have some experience as another "whackjob" like so many of US JonLP24-lol. Yep, bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #29
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Lots of dedicated military doctors refused illegal orders-some were whistleblowers put at peril. n/t bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #26
I remember that. Duppers Jul 2015 #27
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