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In reply to the discussion: About the upcoming transition to general election season [View all]alittlelark
(19,069 posts)452. My prediction.... Gary Johnson and Jill Stein
        Will become the BIG players in this election....  For better or worse.
All either of them needs is 5% and they will get federally matching funds for their parties; Stein-Green, Johnson-Libertarian.
Both Dems and R's have a lack of faith in their parties deeply flawed presumptive nominees.
This is the first time in my 51 years that SO MANY political puzzle pieces have been thrown up into the air.
I Know this is a Dem site.....   But it's gonna get REAL interesting Real FAST.
								
                                        
                                        
							
								 
								
									
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        The question is not going to come up.  The question is:  Can everyone unite and get out voters, so
        L. Coyote
        Jun 2016
        #117
      
        
        The political revolution is to change the status quo in the Dem Party, not to accept it. n/t
        JimDandy
        Jun 2016
        #198
      
        
        As long as you don't bash the Dem Party in order to harm it. Suggestions should be welcome.
        kerry-is-my-prez
        Jun 2016
        #443
      
        
        Democrats who are for the party and for the nominees to be elected. I don't think Dino is a term
        kerry-is-my-prez
        Jun 2016
        #445
      
        
        Skinner knows that Hillary is going to be our nominee, there was no headline about Bernie in the GE.
        dubyadiprecession
        Jun 2016
        #429
      
        
        If he is the nominee., I still think that won't happen, too demented and all.
        L. Coyote
        Jun 2016
        #485
      
        
        I get two a day every day because I sign on in the middle of the day when people are at work
        hollysmom
        Jun 2016
        #366
      
        
        WoW!  This happens? we want people to feel confident that they aren't being judged by trolls who"
        Her Sister
        Jun 2016
        #41
      
        
        Here's the problem.  Will "both major party nominees" really become clear on June 16?
        highprincipleswork
        Jun 2016
        #5
      
        
        No IT IS NOT CLEAR>>> As The Convention Is When And Where ALL Will Become CLEAR, NOT Before!
        CorporatistNation
        Jun 2016
        #294
      
        
        Some People Can Foresee Problems When Others Cannot... Here Is One "Collection"  Of Problems...
        CorporatistNation
        Jun 2016
        #324
      
        
        Good. Because it doesn't really matter how little you know about the process...
        wyldwolf
        Jun 2016
        #699
      
        
        It says the 17th, NOT the convention. If you aren't happy, you may want to go to a Sanders site.
        kerry-is-my-prez
        Jun 2016
        #450
      
        
        Only to Hillary supporters.  But the ACTUAL nominee can not be known until the convention.
        pdsimdars
        Jun 2016
        #62
      
        
        Thank you juror #7.   There seems to be a lot of censorship on this "democratic" site.
        pdsimdars
        Jun 2016
        #200
      
        
        How is this privately owned and run forum "democratic"? Perhaps a review of the About DU page is in
        uppityperson
        Jun 2016
        #390
      
        
        It's OK, if you want to make this a fantasy site, no problem.  I don't own it.  But I do own my
        pdsimdars
        Jun 2016
        #603
      
        
        I have NEVER said you can't set up the rules.  You have made that up out of thin air.
        pdsimdars
        Jun 2016
        #654
      
        
        Again, wtf? I can't set up rules because I'm not Admin. Again with the snarky insults without
        uppityperson
        Jun 2016
        #655
      
        
        All 7 jurors rightly said LEAVE IT ALONE.. Therefore you weren't "censored."
        emulatorloo
        Jun 2016
        #627
      
        
        Look, I just posted what the standard is.  If you want to rationalize or make excuses, that is
        pdsimdars
        Jun 2016
        #594
      
        
        That's the thing. The writer of that article lied about how the process works.
        Lord Magus
        Jun 2016
        #500
      
        
        You obviously didn't read with comprehension.  The authore never asserted that.
        pdsimdars
        Jun 2016
        #593
      
        
        Your analysis is wrong-based on history Clinton will be the presumptive nominee on June 7
        Gothmog
        Jun 2016
        #583
      
        
        If they come around DU criticizing the Democratic candidate, I'll invite them to Free Republican...
        Jeffersons Ghost
        Jun 2016
        #76
      
        
        I actually meant another place; but this isn't a religion discussion...
        Jeffersons Ghost
        Jun 2016
        #405
      
        
        What part of that don't they understand?? This is Skinner's site, for chrissakes. And he's being
        BlueCaliDem
        Jun 2016
        #423
      
        
        "it's been a nasty experience being a member of DU AND being a supporter of Sanders."
        tarheelsunc
        Jun 2016
        #308
      
        
        I know, right?   They have the majority of the board, ruled the jury pool.. "85%" .. we got
        Cha
        Jun 2016
        #511
      
        
        I thank the heavens for the Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama Groups. I'd otherwise not come to
        BlueCaliDem
        Jun 2016
        #569
      
        
        It's only the past 2wks to a month that Clinton supporters were not being beat up on, alerted
        kerry-is-my-prez
        Jun 2016
        #453
      
        
        +10^10^100 It's hard to imagine how some folks can be so unaware of what's happening around them
        stevenleser
        Jun 2016
        #645
      
        
        Exactly, as you say, it ain't over till it's over, and this looks like a mighty long game from where
        highprincipleswork
        Jun 2016
        #509
      
        
        There's 13 days left until all primaries are concluded. At that point there's no more "game" left.
        Lord Magus
        Jun 2016
        #514
      
        
        As if DU was the only game in town, first of all. Secondly, the feelings and expression of at least
        highprincipleswork
        Jun 2016
        #521
      
        
        Thats exactly right.  If neither candidate has the requisite number of pledged delegates to
        bjo59
        Jun 2016
        #224
      
        
        If what you say is true, then you've likely been eliminated from jury service because ...
        NurseJackie
        Jun 2016
        #612
      
        
        Obviously this is of great importance to you, but I feel compelled to let you know ...
        NurseJackie
        Jun 2016
        #650
      
        
        Very welcome clarification. A little good will and common courtesy will go a long way.
        Surya Gayatri
        Jun 2016
        #7
      
        
        A description of your candidate's increasingly trail-worn appearance is no proof of ill-will,
        Surya Gayatri
        Jun 2016
        #488
      
        
        Since Bernie will endorse Hillary around that point, there won't be much incentive to attack him. nt
        stevenleser
        Jun 2016
        #647
      
        
        I'd think/hope that any advocacy of him in that case would be treated the same as...
        Tarc
        Jun 2016
        #26
      
        
        I agree advocating for Bernie would be advocating for someone other than the nominee
        Demsrule86
        Jun 2016
        #448
      
        
        Well, I believe that answers my question about what constitutes a "named removed" post. nt
        fleabiscuit
        Jun 2016
        #327
      
        
        What are the implications of groups like Socialist Progressives & the Populist Reform?
        JonLeibowitz
        Jun 2016
        #22
      
        
        Of course, but that is not the point of my question. I am talking about reform inside the party.
        JonLeibowitz
        Jun 2016
        #55
      
        
        Only my reading from above, if the critisicm is presented helpful way to help the nominee and
        still_one
        Jun 2016
        #108
      
        
        You are mistaken.   The general election does not arrive until AFTER the convention.
        pdsimdars
        Jun 2016
        #24
      
        
        The Democratic Underground Terms of Service state that we transition to the general election...
        Skinner
        Jun 2016
        #45
      
        
        What if the FBI recommends that Hillary be indicted after the D.C. vote but before the convention
        Uncle Joe
        Jun 2016
        #173
      
        
        Yes but how should we treat such articles or newscasts as they would no doubt have the effect
        Uncle Joe
        Jun 2016
        #185
      
        
        I know you have great expectations for Hillary and you don't believe she will be indicted,
        Uncle Joe
        Jun 2016
        #206
      
        
        The majority are more Clinton supporters or people who are able accept the reality Of this race.
        kerry-is-my-prez
        Jun 2016
        #466
      
        
        Well, as I posted above, according to the rules, the Democratic nominee will NOT be clear
        pdsimdars
        Jun 2016
        #88
      
        
        Please see comment #62 . . . those are the facts, as opposed to your opinions.
        pdsimdars
        Jun 2016
        #196
      
        
        "Clinton will be nominated on the first ballot."  Your exact statement explicitly says that there...
        ChisolmTrailDem
        Jun 2016
        #136
      
        
        Excuse me, but the phrase means the same thing it has meant for over a half century.
        MADem
        Jun 2016
        #532
      
        
        There has never been a nominee before a convention...by definition. You are not making news.
        tritsofme
        Jun 2016
        #251
      
        
        It's not my "opinion".  It's how every election has gone since supers were introduced.
        charlyvi
        Jun 2016
        #246
      
        
        Did you even bother to read what THEY say about it?  Not that we don't all think your opinion
        pdsimdars
        Jun 2016
        #259
      
        
        blah, blah, blah, excuse, excuse, excuse. . . . . .  make up your own little fantasy world, but
        pdsimdars
        Jun 2016
        #605
      
        
        You're mistaken too. The nomination has never needed to be secured with pledged delegates alone.
        Lord Magus
        Jun 2016
        #503
      
        
        "Glorious." You keep using that word; I do not think it means what you think it means...
        petronius
        Jun 2016
        #28
      
        
        That's right.  This site is to help the Democratic nominee, and all Democrats win in the November
        still_one
        Jun 2016
        #188
      
        
        Democratic National Convention, July 25-28, 2016 the nominee will be known
        Omaha Steve
        Jun 2016
        #300
      
        
        Should Sanders manage the biggest comeback of all time and win the nomination the same rules apply.
        Lord Magus
        Jun 2016
        #505
      
        
        What if the source is critisizing Trump.  I've seen red state have anti Trump articles.
        DLCWIdem
        Jun 2016
        #365
      
        
        Do you oppose quoting WND in the specific circumstance I mentioned?  If so, why?  (n/t)
        Jim Lane
        Jun 2016
        #110
      
        
        I would say if it is a news story from the WSJ ,it really should be fine.  However, if it is an
        still_one
        Jun 2016
        #213
      
        
        As soon as I see those URL's, I will go looking for a more mainstream source...
        Cooley Hurd
        Jun 2016
        #115
      
        
        There will be an exception for those races with no Democrat running, correct?
        MohRokTah
        Jun 2016
        #229
      
        
        100% for the Democratic Nominee and Party. 100% against the Republican Nominee and Party.
        onehandle
        Jun 2016
        #36
      
        
        Thank you for your announcement and the promise of more guidelines. I do have a couple of questions.
        FourScore
        Jun 2016
        #47
      
        
        But some of the Hillary supporters still REALLY believe she will be the nominee,
        FourScore
        Jun 2016
        #125
      
        
        I posted the how the Democratic party makes the decision in post #62.   And it won't happen
        pdsimdars
        Jun 2016
        #202
      
        
        It is also a FACT that in every election since 1984, that the winner has been called
        pnwmom
        Jun 2016
        #314
      
        
        Omg! Go to another site if you can't deal with the rules. Isn't there some Sanders site?
        kerry-is-my-prez
        Jun 2016
        #457
      
        
        I'm just saying. . . if you want to keep this site firmly rooted in the REAL WORLD, you might
        pdsimdars
        Jun 2016
        #599
      
        
        No. The majority of your revenue-generating membership on DU disagrees with your...
        ChisolmTrailDem
        Jun 2016
        #162
      
        
        The rules were stated very clearly when general election mode goes into effect.  June 16th.  Lets
        still_one
        Jun 2016
        #250
      
        
        Uuummmmm...no.  Just because he is the owner, that doesn't make him immune to...
        ChisolmTrailDem
        Jun 2016
        #615
      
        
        There are a lot of Bernie supporters who still believe he will be the nominee.
        totodeinhere
        Jun 2016
        #460
      
        
        And you gave no indication as to what happens to the website if Bernie wins the contested convention
        retrowire
        Jun 2016
        #60
      
        
        It is not arrogant for me to say I know what the DU policy would be under that circumstance.
        Skinner
        Jun 2016
        #131
      
        
        My two cents.  The TOS is stating the convention is just a formality because after the
        still_one
        Jun 2016
        #270
      
        
        Are you "almost certain" that you will survive till dinner time or is it definite?
        Renew Deal
        Jun 2016
        #589
      
        
        So it's just going to be an all in for Hillary from June 16 until Bernie clinches the nomination in
        Dont call me Shirley
        Jun 2016
        #406
      
        
        Not needed. Once Hillary get's protected status we have plenty of other sites to choose from.
        harun
        Jun 2016
        #634
      
        
        No bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election !
        Her Sister
        Jun 2016
        #72
      
        
        I appreciate learning the historical facts of all political leaders, including the bad and the ugly.
        lindysalsagal
        Jun 2016
        #80
      
        
        ...says the person with (at least) TEN recent hides.  Please find a mirror and re-read Skinner's
        FailureToCommunicate
        Jun 2016
        #330
      
        
        But we can be thrilled as F about HRC clinching it without fear of nasty attacks!
        bettyellen
        Jun 2016
        #156
      
        
        Just stop making comments like we Bernie supporters deserve our noses put in dog shit
        retrowire
        Jun 2016
        #153
      
        
        Whichever candidate you support, I assure you that you can find many jerks among your allies.
        Jim Lane
        Jun 2016
        #215
      
        
        The Convention occurs in July. The Nominee is not chosen until the Convention actually votes.
        Ford_Prefect
        Jun 2016
        #130
      
        
        Evidently you don't read my posts. You assume animosity where none exists.
        Ford_Prefect
        Jun 2016
        #264
      
        
        "Some of us" are on a pretty high horse and if they continue to denigrate others here....
        bettyellen
        Jun 2016
        #285
      
        
        I think most of the Hillary Bernie bashing has been done by GOP rent a trolls who joined in the last
        Monk06
        Jun 2016
        #160
      
        
        Only if I can be there to see the look on the faces of the FBI agents who have to respond
        mythology
        Jun 2016
        #447
      
        
        Under the constitution we all have a right to Freedom of Association and Skinner
        pnwmom
        Jun 2016
        #303
      
        
        Some posters are just dying to proclaim: "Armen Tamzarian's reign of terror is over!!" (eom)
        StevieM
        Jun 2016
        #354
      
        
        Some have their own "special" rules I guess.  I'll throw in a donation to DU on that post just for
        still_one
        Jun 2016
        #397
      
        
        "If get banned for who I support or will not support I personally will file a complaint with the
        Cha
        Jun 2016
        #531
      
        
        ROFL! "Disgruntled Member Brings DU to it's Knees - Seeks One Million 'RECs' in Compensation!"
        Cha
        Jun 2016
        #472
      
        
        Skinner's rules are for the DU forum, not for the voting booth. You can, of course, vote for whom
        uppityperson
        Jun 2016
        #332
      
        
        SKINNER HAS BEEN INDICTED FOR COERCING PEOPLE INTO FOLLOWING THE RULES OF HIS WEBSITE.
        Nye Bevan
        Jun 2016
        #311
      
        
        My bug gif isn't grave dancing (for months) in celebration of losing a long-time DUer.
        Gore1FL
        Jun 2016
        #384
      
        
        Overheated melodrama. Weak grasp of law, history or reality. Let me guess.... Sanders supporter?
        Number23
        Jun 2016
        #287
      
        
        LOL - I've been here since 2001 and I don't think I've ever read anything so hilarious
        OKNancy
        Jun 2016
        #301
      
        
        This is either hilarious deadpan Walt-Starr-evoking humor, or quite simply nuts.
        Nye Bevan
        Jun 2016
        #310
      
        
        If people here want to vote for Jill Stein, then say hello to President Trump
        NYCButterfinger
        Jun 2016
        #193
      
        
        If whoever wins is not the person I want, I'll remove myself from that election.
        PatrynXX
        Jun 2016
        #204
      
        
        DU without standards lost the very unique qualities that make it worthwhile.
        Bluenorthwest
        Jun 2016
        #212
      
        
        It would be wiser to wait until the July 25 convention chooses nominee. /nt
        philly_bob
        Jun 2016
        #219
      
        
        It will be interesting to see if this site can be the haven that it was after "W"'s election...
        Walk away
        Jun 2016
        #225
      
        
        What if you want to help Bernie and not Clinton to succeed in winning the nomination?
        imagine2015
        Jun 2016
        #237
      
        
        Skinner thanks for being so fair, I am hard-core Bernie supporter but your rules make sense n/t
        davidlynch
        Jun 2016
        #239
      
        
        I look foward to the day the vitriol here ends. I know i had my part in making DU suck and i hope DU
        hrmjustin
        Jun 2016
        #253
      
        
        Good stuff, and right at the heart of what has become a patisanship emphesis on bashing ....
        marble falls
        Jun 2016
        #275
      
        
        In a year when there is bound to be questions up until the convention, why would you start this...
        Joe the Revelator
        Jun 2016
        #295
      
        
        The problem here is I lost jury duty and was no where near guilty of what was described.
        PufPuf23
        Jun 2016
        #438
      
        
        I continue to think the place needs fumigation. I hear TrollAway works wonders.
        Stinky The Clown
        Jun 2016
        #306
      
        
        What about Pro-Sanders avatars and sig lines? They will still be permitted right?
        liberalnarb
        Jun 2016
        #344
      
        
        For some reason I think they will be gone as well as the Bernie Group? If that is how the die falls.
        glinda
        Jun 2016
        #519
      
        
        Cool.  Hey can you tell me why my profile page says the Hillary Clinton Group is my favorite?
        cherokeeprogressive
        Jun 2016
        #362
      
        
        This is the Democratic Party. A little something called democracy also matters.
        Lord Magus
        Jun 2016
        #528
      
        
        Skinner: If Hillary Clinton has trouble with the law i.e., investigation, FBI, DOJ and she is
        bkkyosemite
        Jun 2016
        #402
      
        
        Agreed.  Or "the other post is worse so I'm not hiding this one" which just leads to the escalation
        seaglass
        Jun 2016
        #562
      
        
        As I read it, advocacy for Stein is barred but that doesn't mean she can't be discussed.
        Jim Lane
        Jun 2016
        #473
      
        
        Your fatal flaw like most anti Hillary people here is that you think your opinion is matched by a
        upaloopa
        Jun 2016
        #486
      
        
        Not going to happen.  Johnson got 1% in 2012, Stein got a total of 450k votes
        TwilightZone
        Jun 2016
        #630
      
        
        This is very disappointing, I feel that you are trying to direct the discussion in favor of Hilary.
        DrewFlorida
        Jun 2016
        #463
      
        
        pretty much the only way he can is for the FBI to recommend an indictment before the convention
        AntiBank
        Jun 2016
        #585
      
        
        Nope, Skinner and DU always try to direct discussion in favor of the Democratic nominee.
        stevenleser
        Jun 2016
        #584
      
        
        Like I've said in responce to every other thread that has announced Clinton prematurely
        Lordquinton
        Jun 2016
        #510
      
        
        Great! Now we can all get down to the real business of totally trouncing Trump.
        In_The_Wind
        Jun 2016
        #554
      
        
        Why Not Wait Until The Convention When It Is Finally Decided? I'm an Old Fart
        Land of Enchantment
        Jun 2016
        #560
      
        
        June 16 is too soon. GE mode should be for when we have a nominee - which will be in July.
        Betty Karlson
        Jun 2016
        #563
      
        
        superdelegates will not be committed until July. If the AP wants to presume a lot,
        Betty Karlson
        Jun 2016
        #623
      
        
        Superdelegates are committed whenever they decide that they're committed.
        TwilightZone
        Jun 2016
        #662
      
        
        Guidance on prohibited "meta-discussions" anyone? Not sure I understand. n/t
        MrModerate
        Jun 2016
        #570
      
        
        I hope you are going to do something about the repeat offenders you keep allowing back
        Rex
        Jun 2016
        #633
      
        
        You mean people who want universal healthcare, less war, no torture, no capital punishment,
        Doctor_J
        Jun 2016
        #689
      
        
        Why is there no paragraph about what criticism will and will not be allowed for Bernie?
        cui bono
        Jun 2016
        #670
      
        
        The tos say that we're allowed to be liberal.  That will conflict starkly with Mrs Clinton's views
        Doctor_J
        Jun 2016
        #690
      
        
        Skinner, please see my OP, "What about an "anyone but Clinton or Sanders" scenario?
        Peace Patriot
        Jun 2016
        #703
      
  