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In reply to the discussion: George Takei Accused of Sexually Assaulting Former Model in 1981 [View all]moriah
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Whether this was manufactured or not, whether the "other side" is hypocritical or not, if we're going to be true to our values we can't be hypocritical ourselves.
George Takei is a very influential figure. He was a victim of the Japanese internment, and is one of the few people who ever reminds us of that terrible act of ours during a terrible war -- we can't forget it was wrong to imprison people for their ancestry whether or not we gassed them. And as a celebrity who made public his sexual orientation and speaks out about gay rights quite eloquently (even when calling a resident of my state a douchebag), he has made many great points when issues have come up that affect the community. He has a lot of followers. And for good reason.
That doesn't mean it's impossible that he did something awful once, or even necessarily that the full extent of the accusation and George's side of the story are completely incompatible.
After all, it's possible that the drinks weren't just beers, but Long Island Iced Teas poured liberally, because he was seemingly needing to forget about his ex. It's possible that the time loss was from being blacked out, and he seemed drunk but still capable of consent (aka, not unconscious, which is the legal line in my state if not the moral one in my opinion). If so, livers process about 1-2 shots an hour in men, slower if Xanax or something specific is blocking alcohol leaving the body.
It's certainly possible that the model would remember a celebrity vs a celebrity remember every person who might have come to their apartment before we learned that there was a virus that was sexually transmitted and killing people. Oh, those carefree days before people kept track of every sexual partner for fear that they'd have to call them with bad news....
The model did say that when he regained memory and was insistent in his protest, George stopped. And if he was drugged, getting back to himself enough to drive away within less than three hours is consistent with not being drugged with anything long-acting.
I've had a 'Lude before, and if I'd been drinking with it there's no way I would have been able to drive that fast. Was Halcion out then? Still, that's a six hour sucker. I don't think GHB was a thing then, and i don't know how fast it clears, but I think it's the fastest of anything that would have been available in 1981. Cosby victims all pretty much reported memory loss for a LONG time.
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So pretty much, unless something comes out where we learn that there's no way George's complete denial of knowing the model is true, or if something in the model's story unravels, I'm going with "There might be a third story that's the actual truth, and the way that kind of thing happens isn't that uncommon. But putting anyone up on a pedestal to the point of refusal to even consider the accusation is wrong, and anyone might have a side we don't know. Even someone we revere."
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