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35. Whatever one thinks of Nader, if you continue to ignore THIS

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Sat Jul 8, 2017, 11:40 AM

Jul 2017

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it's an insult to the CBC, and to all of us.

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In 18 years since Naders run, what has been accomplished by complaining about it? [View all] ZX86 Jul 2017 OP

Raising awareness of how Rove funded Nader and Putin paid Stein is important. american_ideals Jul 2017 #1

That's not the issue I'm talking about. ZX86 Jul 2017 #3

Distinction without a difference. Nader,Stein supported by Putin, Rove, GOP. sharedvalues Jul 2017 #4

"If you like Putin, vote for Stein.' ZX86 Jul 2017 #7

How about natl holiday on election day, and "Putin pays Stein" sharedvalues Jul 2017 #8

Just so you know. ZX86 Jul 2017 #26

Yup you nailed it in 1. stevenleser Jul 2017 #139

You don't hear GOPers still bitching about Ross Perot leftstreet Jul 2017 #2

Did big Dem donors support Perot? Did a foreign power pay him? sharedvalues Jul 2017 #5

Is this your first time at the rodeo? ZX86 Jul 2017 #6

You are now using Whataboutism. sharedvalues Jul 2017 #9

You're saying "what about" Nader and Stein. ZX86 Jul 2017 #18

That is laughable. Nader and Stein are the topic of this thread that YOU created. BzaDem Jul 2017 #101

Trump said the same thing today! How interesting to hear this here. Cough cough. bettyellen Jul 2017 #10

He also said Bush didn't keep us safe on 9/11. ZX86 Jul 2017 #19

Yeah- he's as full of shit to compare his campaigns relationship w Russian bettyellen Jul 2017 #39

Corruption in politics is not a normal regular occurrence? ZX86 Jul 2017 #46

Ah that broad brush "they're all corrupt" crap that suppresses the vote as much as crosscheck does.. bettyellen Jul 2017 #53

I didn't say they are all corrupt. ZX86 Jul 2017 #60

Crosscheck is a GOP scam to disenfranchise voters of color and those in Dem areas, period. It has bettyellen Jul 2017 #62

So you are completely oblivious to the direct connection ZX86 Jul 2017 #63

You never said it was normal for the GOP- you smeared both sides with your whataboutist crap. bettyellen Jul 2017 #64

Since when did criticizing money in politics ZX86 Jul 2017 #66

Which ignores the funding third part candidates get. And ignores the huge policy differences between bettyellen Jul 2017 #67

Huge policy differences? ZX86 Jul 2017 #91

Yeah, Hillary is awful for settling for 12 hour at a time when the minimum wage is being rolled back bettyellen Jul 2017 #117

This is the problem. ZX86 Jul 2017 #118

Bullshit. The largest increase in minimum wage would be great! Cutting it is shit! It's you that bettyellen Jul 2017 #119

I don't consider Republican crumbs tangible gains. ZX86 Jul 2017 #121

I don't believe a hyper exaggerated word you say. States have cut the minimum to 7 an hour because bettyellen Jul 2017 #123

This is my city. This is my daily reality. Shame on you for doubting the suffering of my neighbors. ZX86 Jul 2017 #130

And third party voters fucked those people over as bad as republicans did. bettyellen Jul 2017 #131

The people who voted for universal health care candidates ZX86 Jul 2017 #132

They set us on a regressive path where we're losing everything. Fuck this "not good enough" bettyellen Jul 2017 #133

No. Not good enough. ZX86 Jul 2017 #138

Thank you. Exactly. sharedvalues Jul 2017 #122

Awkwardly the largest individual donor it 2016 was Tom Steyer mythology Jul 2017 #57

Good catch. ZX86 Jul 2017 #61

Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it. pnwmom Jul 2017 #11

Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it. ZX86 Jul 2017 #20

Neither Al Gore nor Hillary Clinton acted with "smug paternalism." pnwmom Jul 2017 #28

So what are you going to do about it? ZX86 Jul 2017 #30

If that was your top priority you wouldn't worry that Democrats were hurting their cause pnwmom Jul 2017 #31

You're the one not being realistic. ZX86 Jul 2017 #32

Yeah, and Jill Stein was simply exercising her right to take money from the Russians pnwmom Jul 2017 #33

You don't like Jill Stein. Got it. ZX86 Jul 2017 #37

Minimize the terrible affect the of the Greens...so people will understand voting for them is a vote Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #86

Nader did NOT hand Florida to Bush*... Raster Jul 2017 #52

Every single one of the 95K Nader voters would NOT have had to vote for Gore pnwmom Jul 2017 #55

Let me see if I have this straight. ZX86 Jul 2017 #65

They were former Democrats who hadn't bothered to change the registrations pnwmom Jul 2017 #69

So it's okay for lazy Democrats to vote for Republicans ZX86 Jul 2017 #72

They aren't lazy Democrats. They're Republicans who haven't bothered to pnwmom Jul 2017 #73

Republicans who haven't bothered to change their old registrations..... ZX86 Jul 2017 #75

Yes. Lazy Republicans who haven't voted Democratic since Reagan, pnwmom Jul 2017 #76

Well that's just not the way it works. ZX86 Jul 2017 #83

That is exactly how it works...if you ever participated in GOTV you would know that... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #87

Thanks for the reality check, Demsrule86 . n/t pnwmom Jul 2017 #94

It is a trip getting out the vote in Ohio sometimes... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #109

Tell that to 538 and the professional pollsters. pnwmom Jul 2017 #93

some of this is also because of local and state politics. remember that disgusting Kim Davis was a JI7 Jul 2017 #100

Nader falsely claims to have progressive goals. Bush does not. BzaDem Jul 2017 #105

the Greens are not close to us. the purpose of the Green Party is to help republicans win JI7 Jul 2017 #12

Meanwhile, Gary Johnson took 3X the amount of Reps from Trump, than what Stein took from Dems. TheBlackAdder Jul 2017 #13

none of that changes the fact about the goal of greens being to help republicans JI7 Jul 2017 #14

None of that changes the fact that ZX86 Jul 2017 #24

Greens aren't winning JI7 Jul 2017 #43

That's like bragging about stealing candy from a baby. ZX86 Jul 2017 #70

Is a backlash against minorities gaining power. When we had more seats it was conservative democrats JI7 Jul 2017 #92

So we should complain more about Ralph Nader? ZX86 Jul 2017 #116

Most of us can talk about many things JI7 Jul 2017 #129

So? Gary isn't pretending to be a progressive, unlike Stein. n/t pnwmom Jul 2017 #29

More Democrats vote Republican before breakfast ZX86 Jul 2017 #22

We don't pretend they are liberals JI7 Jul 2017 #44

That is a meaningless statistic because there is no test to register for any of the major parties stevenleser Jul 2017 #124

Nader gave us United, two wars, a rightie court, Katrina deaths and in the end an economy that was Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #15

Nader participated in the Democratic process. ZX86 Jul 2017 #23

We have a two party system...Nader deliberately helped the GOP. Fuck him and all Green traitors. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #25

We have a Democracy where every American has a right to run for office. ZX86 Jul 2017 #27

Greens have a right well so do Republicans...and I despise both...they are the same. Fuck the Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #34

Nobody is banning them running. JI7 Jul 2017 #45

Then what's the point of blaming them for losing? ZX86 Jul 2017 #47

because their fuckery led to worse outcomes for people.. JHan Jul 2017 #51

I feel the exact same way. kysrsoze Jul 2017 #107

Same reason we can complain about republicans in solid red areas we will never beat JI7 Jul 2017 #59

"we will never beat" ZX86 Jul 2017 #74

Solid red areas are people who have right wing views JI7 Jul 2017 #77

I'm not the one insisting they are ridgid and unchangable. ZX86 Jul 2017 #80

Nope. They can change if they want to JI7 Jul 2017 #81

Because their (legal) run caused the R victory? Is this really that difficult? n/t BzaDem Jul 2017 #104

Complaing about how the Democratic process works ZX86 Jul 2017 #112

I think you are confused about what people are arguing. BzaDem Jul 2017 #127

Exposing the real motives of candidates is an important and essential part of political campaigning" ZX86 Jul 2017 #134

Let's see where that type of third grade logic leads. BzaDem Jul 2017 #142

You want to know who else participated in the Democratic process? Trump, Bush, McCain, and Romney. BzaDem Jul 2017 #103

Yes. Exactly. Spot on! ZX86 Jul 2017 #113

So if Romney and Ryan want to end Medicare as we know it, we should not attack them? BzaDem Jul 2017 #128

Attack them with what? ZX86 Jul 2017 #137

If you can't defend your "don't attack the other side" view without changing the subject BzaDem Jul 2017 #141

He became a scapegoat. milestogo Jul 2017 #16

Wrong. He became a pariah. nt Skidmore Jul 2017 #17

No he was a spoiler...and became a pariah as he should have. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #21

Whatever one thinks of Nader, if you continue to ignore THIS G_j Jul 2017 #35

Where was all the love and support for Auntie Maxine back then? ZX86 Jul 2017 #40

How can we know? If we could go back 18 years and not complain about it, would things be different? jobycom Jul 2017 #36

You're missing my point. ZX86 Jul 2017 #42

Oh. jobycom Jul 2017 #98

I'll jump in right here... ms liberty Jul 2017 #111

This should be an OP kcr Jul 2017 #114

awareness YCHDT Jul 2017 #38

I actually used it as an example of what happens when you vote Green to a person contemplating... Foamfollower Jul 2017 #41

Uhm....no you weren't. ZX86 Jul 2017 #49

Um, yes I WAS! Foamfollower Jul 2017 #54

And in those 18 years how many times did Nader run again? rock Jul 2017 #48

The goal is not to keep Nader from running for office. ZX86 Jul 2017 #50

Your're question was rock Jul 2017 #58

You have more patience than me brutus smith Jul 2017 #82

As had been said nobody is trying to keep him from running JI7 Jul 2017 #90

How many times did his Green party push a candidate for President? nt pnwmom Jul 2017 #95

Promoting awareness of the fact that the Green Party is a GOP ally. DanTex Jul 2017 #56

By your definition ZX86 Jul 2017 #79

All competing political parties are allies of Republicans in a two party system. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #85

Of course anyone who doesn't vote for Democrats is a GOP ally. Is that even remotely controversial? BzaDem Jul 2017 #102

So all Americans not presently Democrats are our enemy? ZX86 Jul 2017 #115

People who enable GOP victories (that harm millions of their fellow citizens) are GOP enablers. BzaDem Jul 2017 #126

Huh? No, that's not my definition at all. DanTex Jul 2017 #110

Heh. n/t Orsino Jul 2017 #68

Not enough. Clearly ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #71

Apparently, there is growing disquiet on the left. sfwriter Jul 2017 #78

Looks like we're going to have to start earning those votes the hard way ZX86 Jul 2017 #84

When Obama went into office he banned lobbyist which included some rich Dem voters...bad move. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #88

If the left thinks they will get a better deal with Republicans that is up to them...I would say Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #89

I don't see the sense in rehashing and rehashing something 20 years old lovemydogs Jul 2017 #96

That these 3rd party runs generally F-up Democrats. Owl Jul 2017 #97

A lot has been accomplished. Nader's share dropped by 90% in 04, and remained low in 08/12. BzaDem Jul 2017 #99

You first (re: actions of MLK, Ghandi, Mandela). susanna Jul 2017 #106

Your post is offensive. ZX86 Jul 2017 #120

Exactly this. Claiming 12$ minimum wage is "republican crumbs" is total bullshit. bettyellen Jul 2017 #125

Yes. Republican crumbs. ZX86 Jul 2017 #140

The memes give you away. They're part of the slime Dems starter pack. bettyellen Jul 2017 #143

Unite as a political party or die as a political party. The redumbliCONs democratisphere Jul 2017 #108

Nader and the greens gave us the Iraq War, citizens United and Shelby County Gothmog Jul 2017 #135

Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2017 #136