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MuseRider

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23. Excellent post Tom and thank you.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 04:26 PM
Apr 2017

I have been in unaffiliated voter in Kansas for a long time. I had to register as a Democrat to vote in the primary and voting for Bernie meant enough for me to do that even when I absolutely had no use for the party in my state. After the primaries showed Bernie (I cannot remember the numbers but I think he got 60% of the primary) winning here I thought perhaps it has changed and I might feel comfortable there. It IS changing but I do not think it ever would have if it had not been for that circumstance of Bernie. It was too easy to follow the wealth and social status parties and keep the party just barely to the left of the Republicans. Our platform was never as conservative as our reps were. It just sucked and I saw friend after friend get involved and get chewed up and spit out because they just did not fit in. Well, Bernie allowed people like me and people like my friends to feel comfortable again with being different in the party. Enough so that the party is swinging rather quickly to the left, our platform is a good one and one I can support.

Bernie would never want to belong to something that he had to support just because he was a member. There are a lot of us out here who do not fit into the "you are us we are you we are all together, vote for it or be gone" mold. A lot of people can tolerate that, I am not one of them. I think Bernie would be less effective inside. I agree with your assessment of his directing people to see the Democrats as the solution. I had friends who are Tea Party who loathed both Trump and Clinton but liked and wanted to vote for Bernie. They either did not vote or became extremely pro Trump after the deplorable comment. Bernie did appeal to a large group and I have no problem with him still trying to do so. We may not understand why some voted for Trump, I know I sure do not understand it but what is the harm trying to teach them a better way?

Thanks Tom, excellent writing.

Sorry, you did not need my views. I just came in to agree and tell you thanks for this. It is a lovely piece as you always write and it should help some maybe understand better why he is who he is and says what he says. Does the Democratic party need work? What party doesn't? Friendly criticism is only meant to help and ignoring it only keeps things where they are. We do need to listen and give it a fair hearing. Would we listen to Trump or McConnell or Ryan like they could help? Nope, but Bernie wants it all to be better on this side of the aisle. I think that is a good thing.

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Thank you for your thoughtful analysis! PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #1
I support Bernie. I've been both a Democrat and an unaffiliated voter, now back to a RKP5637 Apr 2017 #2
Great post. Recommended. panader0 Apr 2017 #3
I hoped... Mike Nelson Apr 2017 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Apr 2017 #5
Thanks for presenting ideas I had not thought of before, pangaia Apr 2017 #6
That is up to Bernie, but what I do have issues with is his demeaning rhetoric about the still_one Apr 2017 #7
I shouldn't, but I'll bite ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #10
I am Not baiting anyone. I am referring to his speech a few weeks ago where he said trump supporter still_one Apr 2017 #14
It sounds like he didn't say anything at all like you claimed he said ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #17
Here is one link, I am not at a convenient place to respond right now still_one Apr 2017 #19
there is nothing in that link that is anything like what you said ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #24
Actually he said something worse! delisen Apr 2017 #28
so you agree that Sanders was slandered and that still_one ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #29
Not at all. I just find the Bernie Resurrection threads amusing diversions. delisen Apr 2017 #38
Well said UT_democrat Apr 2017 #8
Agreed. Bernie is zentrum Apr 2017 #9
This is a great post. aquamarina Apr 2017 #11
K/R..... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #12
I'm a lifelong Democrat, yellerdawg, and registered. ananda Apr 2017 #13
Dad would be 104 now and always safeinOhio Apr 2017 #21
K and R Quixote1818 Apr 2017 #15
+1000 Eom Arazi Apr 2017 #16
The Dem party is like a huge, lumbering, big-tent cruise ship. Bernie is a like a little tugboat ... earthshine Apr 2017 #18
I like your analogy /t Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #37
Ditto the analogy. KPN Apr 2017 #46
Great analysis and thoughts for everyone! h2ebits Apr 2017 #20
K & R FailureToCommunicate Apr 2017 #22
Excellent post Tom and thank you. MuseRider Apr 2017 #23
Thank you. I really like your obserations on how Bernie's campaign changed your local party Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #34
Thank you MuseRider Apr 2017 #36
Reports like yours from Kansas are really valuable food for thought Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #43
I have long been out of the party MuseRider Apr 2017 #50
I think Bernie is part of a much bigger change in attitude. HopeAgain Apr 2017 #25
"I don't agree to a breakup of the two party system, but I do listen..." Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #40
I do not support Sanders running as an independent Gothmog Apr 2017 #26
Wait. Other times you've objected to Bernie running as a Democrat. KPN Apr 2017 #45
Look, sanity! lies Apr 2017 #27
I don't have a problem with his status, either. randome Apr 2017 #30
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! for the huge breath of SANITY. It is soooo appreciated. BigBearJohn Apr 2017 #31
Independents are a varied group. I think Sanders outreach is narrow. delisen Apr 2017 #32
A softening of support for Dems among younger voters would be a more far reaching problem Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #33
Who's saying anything about "an outreach aimed primarily at that group"? KPN Apr 2017 #47
Very well thought out. Exilednight Apr 2017 #35
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #39
Bernie can stay how ever the f he wants too madokie Apr 2017 #41
I've no problem with him being independent. I do have problem with his thoughtless bashing of dems. Justice Apr 2017 #42
Excellent post TR! KPN Apr 2017 #44
I am reminded of the old proverb Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #49
A thoughtful and we'll reasoned post about Bernie? progressoid Apr 2017 #48
K&R! nt riderinthestorm Apr 2017 #51
K&R SalviaBlue Apr 2017 #52
Thank you, Tom. mac56 Apr 2017 #53
Message deleted by DU the Administrators Lilly52 Apr 2017 #54
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