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Tom Rinaldo

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Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:59 PM Apr 2017

I Support Bernie Sanders Remaining an Independent [View all]

I say that not only as a registered Democrat who votes Democratic every year, but also as a Democratic Party official, which makes me about as much of a Democrat as one can be. I'm the elected Chair of our Town's Democratic Committee. I have a seat on our county's Democratic Party Executive Committee. Last night I chaired a meeting of our Town's Democratic Committee preparing for the local elections in November, and we just recruited a very solid highly qualified candidate to run for an open seat on our Town Board. She is a Democrat, and she voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 New York State Democratic Presidential primary.

At that same meeting we moved forward on plans for door knocking throughout our Town to build resistance to our newly elected Republican Congressman (ours is considered to be a swing congressional district). That is the Democratic Party in action. On that effort we are working with Democratic activists, we are working with Working Families Party activists, we are even working alongside some Green Party members (few and far between), and we are working with Independent activists (they are called non-enrolled voters around here to avoid confusing them with members of the Independence Party).

Gallup has been ruing a poll for years that asks: “In politics, as of today, do you consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat or an independent? “ On March 17 2017 26% said Republican, 42% said Independent, and 30% said Democrat. Those figures bounce around a little, but since Gallup started running it in 2004 the relative order remains fairly constant. More almost always answer Independent than Democrat.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/Party-Affiliation.aspx

A different Gallup study issued in 2014 had this finding:
“Young Americans in their 20s and 30s today share two important political characteristics -- they are the most likely of any age group to eschew identification with either party, and, among those who do have a political identity, they are the most likely, along with older baby boomers, to tilt toward the Democratic Party. “

Further on it goes on to explain the actual raw data – how young people literally self identify their political affiliations:

“These results highlight, again, the political detachment of the younger generation, with almost half of the very youngest initially identifying themselves as independents. The percentage of Americans who are independent drops at a remarkably steady rate across the entire age spectrum...

... Young Americans are more detached from the political system in general, but still tilt strongly toward the Democratic Party, particularly when those who initially identify as independents are asked to which party they lean.”
http://www.gallup.com/poll/172439/party-identification-varies-widely-across-age-spectrum.aspx

I would argue that Bernie Sanders now occupies a sweet spot among voters who profess an affinity for “liberal” values that the Democratic Party has long associated with, especially so with younger voters. The Democratic Party, essentially by definition, has a plethora of leaders. We have the DNC, we have State Democratic Committees. We have paid spokespeople, we have paid strategists, we have three ex-Presidents. We have thousands of Democrats who have been elected to offices. We have plenty of people who can make the case for being a Democrat, which is all well and good. Still the trend lines for registering as a Democrat have been running against us for year, decades actually. That is not because of Bernie Sanders, or Angus King either for that matter, who is the other Independent caucusing with Democrats in the Senate. It is because more and more people prefer to see themselves as Independents. It is a historical trend and literally registered Democrats are now a significant minority of the general public. Wishing it were otherwise does not change those facts.

Independents by definition choose not to belong to a political party. And there are more of them than there are of us. Many people value the perceived integrity of being Independent, positioned beyond the pall of partisan politics. Still, just like people who do affiliate with a political party, they vote, and it is not a stretch to say that they hold the balance of power in American politics today. Given that I think it is an asset to us as Democrats to have a self identified Independent like Bernie Sanders not only caucus with us in the Senate, the way Angus King does, but also advocate on behalf of the Democratic Party as an institution. Sanders recently said, "If the Democratic Party is going to succeed - and I want to see it succeed - it's gonna have to open its door to Independents".

I think Bernie Sanders is unusually well situated to help the Democratic Party succeed, and he is doing so. No he is not an active part of the Democratic Party apparatus the way both I and Tom Perez are. We have people for those roles. Sanders is an independent outside advocate, to other Independents, for working with the Democratic Party to help it achieve a positive vision for America. He has always done so by caucusing with us, but more recently he did so by inspiring so many to become personally involved in Democratic politics, via his own campaign for President. That is having a positive carry over to this day. I am seeing that here at the local Democratic Party level. Sanders endorsed and campaigned for the Democratic Party candidate for President. Now he is traveling around the country with the DNC Chair – the one who defeated the candidate for that position who he himself originally endorsed.

Let me go back to that Gallup quote above: “Young Americans are more detached from the political system in general, but still tilt strongly toward the Democratic Party, particularly when those who initially identify as independents are asked to which party they lean.” Bernie is helping consolidate the Democratic Party appeal to precisely those kinds of Independents by, as an Independent, repeatedly associating with us. He may not always immediately deliver new Democratic Party members to us as a consequence of his activity - though I see a strong uptick in new literal Democratic Party activism from people who were pulled into our Party because of their involvement in the Sanders run for the Democratic presidential nomination. But Bernie Sanders is making a strong case to look first to the Democratic Party for candidates to support to achieve progressive ideals.

It wasn't preordained that it would be this way. There have been growing rumbles for years that the Left in America needed a new political party to support other than the Democrats; an American Labor Party perhaps, or a reconstituted and expanded Green Party associated with a wider spectrum of issues beyond a relatively narrow focus on environmental concerns. Bernie Sanders could have spearheaded that movement. He was pointedly asked to do so. He could have become it's standard bearer running as a third party Independent – which inevitably would have resulted in a new left of center party forming in the wake of his campaign Or Bernie Sanders could have run in 2016 with the Green Party endorsement for President. Jill Stein offered him that deal and Bernie refused. Or he could have stayed out of the 2016 race all together once he lost the Democratic nomination, but instead he campaigned for Hillary Clinton, who of course Jill Stein directly opposed.

I am not saying that we need a lot more Bernie Sanders Independent types, he pretty much fills the bill by himself as a high profile advocate for Independents to look first to the Democratic Party for political representation, rather than going third party or staying at home. We are lucky we have Sanders playing that role.

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Thank you for your thoughtful analysis! PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #1
I support Bernie. I've been both a Democrat and an unaffiliated voter, now back to a RKP5637 Apr 2017 #2
Great post. Recommended. panader0 Apr 2017 #3
I hoped... Mike Nelson Apr 2017 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Apr 2017 #5
Thanks for presenting ideas I had not thought of before, pangaia Apr 2017 #6
That is up to Bernie, but what I do have issues with is his demeaning rhetoric about the still_one Apr 2017 #7
I shouldn't, but I'll bite ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #10
I am Not baiting anyone. I am referring to his speech a few weeks ago where he said trump supporter still_one Apr 2017 #14
It sounds like he didn't say anything at all like you claimed he said ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #17
Here is one link, I am not at a convenient place to respond right now still_one Apr 2017 #19
there is nothing in that link that is anything like what you said ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #24
Actually he said something worse! delisen Apr 2017 #28
so you agree that Sanders was slandered and that still_one ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #29
Not at all. I just find the Bernie Resurrection threads amusing diversions. delisen Apr 2017 #38
Well said UT_democrat Apr 2017 #8
Agreed. Bernie is zentrum Apr 2017 #9
This is a great post. aquamarina Apr 2017 #11
K/R..... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #12
I'm a lifelong Democrat, yellerdawg, and registered. ananda Apr 2017 #13
Dad would be 104 now and always safeinOhio Apr 2017 #21
K and R Quixote1818 Apr 2017 #15
+1000 Eom Arazi Apr 2017 #16
The Dem party is like a huge, lumbering, big-tent cruise ship. Bernie is a like a little tugboat ... earthshine Apr 2017 #18
I like your analogy /t Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #37
Ditto the analogy. KPN Apr 2017 #46
Great analysis and thoughts for everyone! h2ebits Apr 2017 #20
K & R FailureToCommunicate Apr 2017 #22
Excellent post Tom and thank you. MuseRider Apr 2017 #23
Thank you. I really like your obserations on how Bernie's campaign changed your local party Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #34
Thank you MuseRider Apr 2017 #36
Reports like yours from Kansas are really valuable food for thought Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #43
I have long been out of the party MuseRider Apr 2017 #50
I think Bernie is part of a much bigger change in attitude. HopeAgain Apr 2017 #25
"I don't agree to a breakup of the two party system, but I do listen..." Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #40
I do not support Sanders running as an independent Gothmog Apr 2017 #26
Wait. Other times you've objected to Bernie running as a Democrat. KPN Apr 2017 #45
Look, sanity! lies Apr 2017 #27
I don't have a problem with his status, either. randome Apr 2017 #30
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! for the huge breath of SANITY. It is soooo appreciated. BigBearJohn Apr 2017 #31
Independents are a varied group. I think Sanders outreach is narrow. delisen Apr 2017 #32
A softening of support for Dems among younger voters would be a more far reaching problem Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #33
Who's saying anything about "an outreach aimed primarily at that group"? KPN Apr 2017 #47
Very well thought out. Exilednight Apr 2017 #35
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #39
Bernie can stay how ever the f he wants too madokie Apr 2017 #41
I've no problem with him being independent. I do have problem with his thoughtless bashing of dems. Justice Apr 2017 #42
Excellent post TR! KPN Apr 2017 #44
I am reminded of the old proverb Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #49
A thoughtful and we'll reasoned post about Bernie? progressoid Apr 2017 #48
K&R! nt riderinthestorm Apr 2017 #51
K&R SalviaBlue Apr 2017 #52
Thank you, Tom. mac56 Apr 2017 #53
Message deleted by DU the Administrators Lilly52 Apr 2017 #54
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