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185. Two words Blue Dress

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:35 PM

Apr 2016

How many victims move the Washington with the stated objective of becoming a page and making political and employment connections and then proceed to go out of their way to be close to the President of the the United States for personal gain?

With the encouragement of her parents

White house employees made note of her concerted effort to be in Bill Clinton's presence

Of course he is a dick for getting involved but she went out of her way to make herself available and acted like a political groupie

On to the infamous Blue Dress

She enters into a friendship with privileges with the President has numerous encounters of an oral nature and conveniently saves his sperm on her blue dress which she doesn't bother to wash for two years

Then she offers the dress to a Senate committee investigating a relationship that she announced to the media

Call me cynical but my impression when all this was unfolding was that she was part of a preconceived plan by enemies of the Clinton's to bring them down after Whitewater failed to show any results

She is an opportunist and I have no sympathy for her whatsoever

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Monica Lewinsky is trending on Twitter. She is a brave young woman. [View all] Merryland Apr 2016 OP

Hillary worked feverishly to Destroy her FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #1

??????? Zynx Apr 2016 #2

And for the life of me, I can't imagine why ... dawg Apr 2016 #3

Did Bill Clinton ever apologize to Lewinsky? Merryland Apr 2016 #4

Absolutely NOT FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #9

Did a Clinton ever apologize for anything he or she did? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #43

Yes he did. beastie boy Apr 2016 #70

Apologize for what? Having a willy? Getting a little sexual activity from underahedgerow Apr 2016 #71

A lot of people TeddyR Apr 2016 #85

But it was Bill Clinton. truedelphi Apr 2016 #139

For didling a young subordinate 840high Apr 2016 #102

A decade, and she can't get a job. No one wants her, But Bill and Hill carry on. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #136

She created the situation. She has just as much responsibility for the situation underahedgerow Apr 2016 #168

Hmmm.... So... since he's Bill Clinton... OBenario Apr 2016 #166

Oh come on, like he's the first guy to ever have a diddle at the office? What's the underahedgerow Apr 2016 #214

Totally agree with you Dan Apr 2016 #174

Lewinsky initiated the relationship. Why should Bill apologize to anyone but Hillary? kwassa Apr 2016 #99

The President of the US 840high Apr 2016 #103

gee, are you going to bring up all the unsubstantiated stories again? kwassa Apr 2016 #112

They have been substantiated. Perhaps 840high Apr 2016 #120

No, they haven't. The right wing tried their damndest to do so .... kwassa Apr 2016 #137

I lived through it and even 840high Apr 2016 #186

I can only imagine your forgiving attitude if it truedelphi Apr 2016 #141

what??? Jill Sanders???? kwassa Apr 2016 #149

Your equation is different than mine. truedelphi Apr 2016 #177

Of course they would. Being it's 840high Apr 2016 #193

Six hundred bucks? OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #148

oops - 600 thousand 840high Apr 2016 #163

Did Monica, whose actions deeply hurt Hillary, ever apologize to her? She should have. nt pnwmom Apr 2016 #183

Did Bill? 840high Apr 2016 #187

Hillary said he has. But Monica never has -- she just goes around pretending Hillary wronged HER. pnwmom Apr 2016 #188

The women were called "bimbos" by a 840high Apr 2016 #192

Each case is different and we're talking about Monica, who deliberately hurt Hillary. pnwmom Apr 2016 #196

Why can't you accept that it's 840high Apr 2016 #202

There were two people in that sexual affair. One of them doesn't get a free pass. nt pnwmom Apr 2016 #203

Of course it took 840high Apr 2016 #204

I Know! I Know! Ask Me! Fairgo Apr 2016 #106

I think she owes him an apology. She was culpable. kwassa Apr 2016 #110

No. He was the most powerful man on the earth and he could easily have told his staff CTyankee Apr 2016 #116

Sorry, she was an adult, and initiated the entire thing. kwassa Apr 2016 #117

Bill's libido has always been 840high Apr 2016 #124

Monica initiated the relationship. She is not a victim. kwassa Apr 2016 #130

But he was not powerless to stop her. All he had to say was "No." CTyankee Apr 2016 #128

He should have, but this does not exculpate Monica. kwassa Apr 2016 #133

Yes, I agree she was foolish. But he was irresponsible to his office and the country by CTyankee Apr 2016 #138

Remember when this was the most imporant crisis in American politics? Makes me nostalgic. kwassa Apr 2016 #150

We need to always remember that the republicans have their knives out ready to strike. CTyankee Apr 2016 #162

a power differential that significant means that it was not an equal relationship restorefreedom Apr 2016 #175

Lewinsky is not relieved of responsibility. kwassa Apr 2016 #178

she made a pass at a powerful man she was working for restorefreedom Apr 2016 #179

I disagree with you. kwassa Apr 2016 #180

that is true, she took a big risk restorefreedom Apr 2016 #181

Hillary was wronged by Monica as much as she was wronged by Bill. pnwmom Apr 2016 #199

i didnt blame hillary for the affair. buthe sexist behavior was bills.he had the greater culpability restorefreedom Apr 2016 #210

Monica is the one who is still trying to hurt Hillary, by going for publicity every time Hillary pnwmom Apr 2016 #213

her life has been shit for 20 years thanks to bill restorefreedom Apr 2016 #216

The president is not the most powerful man on earth but he is powerful treestar Apr 2016 #165

He owed it to t he country not to ruin his presidency. She owed it to herself and her CTyankee Apr 2016 #170

+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #217

Poor Bill - he just 840high Apr 2016 #122

Didn't Bill set himself up wheniwasincongress Apr 2016 #164

Her fault - how dare 840high Apr 2016 #194

"Lewinsky initiated the relationship." OBenario Apr 2016 #167

I used to disapprove of Bill's actions; your post makes me despise him. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #212

What would be an appropriate reaction to the wpman Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #14

Oh, I don't know...maybe assign most of the blame to your middle aged husband and not a DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #27

Please excuse me, while I edit your post... Contrary1 Apr 2016 #51

They are blaming a 22 year old woman? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #140

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t truedelphi Apr 2016 #142

... tk2kewl Apr 2016 #38

doing karl rove's work for him? certainot Apr 2016 #46

I guess the truth about the Clintons is very painful for you to face tk2kewl Apr 2016 #90

your version of truth was something you heard certainot Apr 2016 #98

The whole world knew 840high Apr 2016 #105

Perfect! Divernan Apr 2016 #83

Seriously? Mike fucking Lester? BlueStater Apr 2016 #89

Does the cartoon fit the conversation? tk2kewl Apr 2016 #91

Bingo 840high Apr 2016 #104

Foul temptress. frylock Apr 2016 #40

Yes!! Thirties Child Apr 2016 #108

To appropriate Dorian Gray Apr 2016 #169

Yes, Hillary should totally apologize to the woman her husband was cheating on her with. Gomez163 Apr 2016 #55

The 90s called, they want their right wing smears back. apnu Apr 2016 #172

She did a Ted talk about how scandal follows you especially since the internet Marrah_G Apr 2016 #5

Her TED talk was great tammywammy Apr 2016 #15

Reading this, I don't know why anyone would want to be involved with the Clintons. djean111 Apr 2016 #6

This is how I view Monica and her errors apcalc Apr 2016 #7

Not sure I understand - "her errors"? Merryland Apr 2016 #10

She's not young anymore philosslayer Apr 2016 #8

No she's not. fbc Apr 2016 #50

She's quite beautiful and 840high Apr 2016 #195

Pretty woman. GOLGO 13 Apr 2016 #11

This made me see Ms. Lewinsky in a whole new light: demmiblue Apr 2016 #12

This ain't gonna be good for either Clinton Merryland Apr 2016 #13

Casting a negative light on the Clintons was not my purpose in posting this video. n/t demmiblue Apr 2016 #19

You can't swing a dead cat without casting a negative light on the Clintons. frylock Apr 2016 #41

Of course not. Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #44

What do you find objectionable about the video? demmiblue Apr 2016 #45

None the less, a negative light was cast. But that is not yr fault. truedelphi Apr 2016 #143

I enjoyed watching that moonbabygo Apr 2016 #20

Because when this happens, we are told that 'Boys will be boys... DookDook Apr 2016 #25

The reason is that the ONLY thing she is known for is her affair with Clinton karynnj Apr 2016 #33

I only mention John Kerry because he's a handsome guy and the first name I thought of. DookDook Apr 2016 #54

However, you could have made the point using Monica and BILL CLINTON karynnj Apr 2016 #87

Bill's not my type, I don't find him attractive. DookDook Apr 2016 #97

I don't know if Bill is forgiven, have to ask Hillary. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #88

Thank you. Ms. Lewinsky gave a powerful talk that certainly made me think differently. n/t NNadir Apr 2016 #69

She's not a young woman. She had an affair with a man she knew was married. Shrike47 Apr 2016 #16

She knew he was married, but... meaculpa2011 Apr 2016 #21

Exactly. If there is anything in this world that is sexist it is jwirr Apr 2016 #22

You don't think both parties share blame? Democat Apr 2016 #64

Lewinsky initiated the relationship, and was an adult at the time. kwassa Apr 2016 #101

Agreed. When I was 5, I knew you weren't supposed to show... 3catwoman3 Apr 2016 #109

and GOP rw radio used her to hamstring the certainot Apr 2016 #49

+1 CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #107

At the end of the day, both Monica and Hillary were victims of Bill's narcissism. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #17

Grown women who engage in consensual relationships are not victims missingthebigdog Apr 2016 #28

I stand by my original post. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #30

I am sure the situational "feminists for Hillary" favor Bill Clinton and blame her mostly. nt m-lekktor Apr 2016 #34

BINGO! We have a winner! BillZBubb Apr 2016 #57

He was in a position of power, she was young enough to be his daughter. m-lekktor Apr 2016 #32

Yep. The power differential was enormous. demmiblue Apr 2016 #36

So all relationships between powerful people missingthebigdog Apr 2016 #37

she was like what, 21 or 22? greymouse Apr 2016 #47

I was married, managing a household and raising a toddler. Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #123

Oh please.... Loki Apr 2016 #42

That is extremely sexist Democat Apr 2016 #66

The power dynamics was very symmetric indeed... Helen Borg Apr 2016 #39

This is about the worst analysis of what actually happened that I have ever read. kwassa Apr 2016 #115

+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #129

I think that is it in a nutshell. Rex Apr 2016 #134

I think she's a brave, beautiful woman and admire her for polly7 Apr 2016 #18

.that^ 840high Apr 2016 #111

If something positive came out of all that horrible mess, then that is a good thing. Rex Apr 2016 #23

I never expected to hear something good from or about her DonCoquixote Apr 2016 #24

Are the anti-Hillary people *THIS* desperate? Archae Apr 2016 #26

Yes they are this desperate. Monica Lewinsky was not a teenager. She livetohike Apr 2016 #29

Please. Thirties Child Apr 2016 #126

So she forced him into it? polly7 Apr 2016 #35

She paid for her stupid mistake. So did Bill. They were both adults. kwassa Apr 2016 #119

Monica said she almost committed suicide CountAllVotes Apr 2016 #31

did she almost commit suicide because she blew the president? or because the world discovered it? La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #48

Obviously the latter fbc Apr 2016 #52

because different people are responsible for different actions La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #53

If Bill had the courage to admit what he had done instead of sending White House cabinet members.... virtualobserver Apr 2016 #59

and she would still have been exposed, and she would still end up suicidal La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #60

if he had admitted it right up front, it wouldn't have gone on and on...... virtualobserver Apr 2016 #62

no way that even you believe that. it would still be a giant sex scandal La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #65

still a scandal, but lying to everyone made it so much worse.....especially under oath. virtualobserver Apr 2016 #74

Bill could have stood up for the woman he had told he loved. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #76

lol. yeah, what i think is a bunch of people are finding fancy ways of blaming a wife for her La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #78

I don't recall blaming Hillary. or even mentioning her. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #80

because they had 1200 radio stations to slut shame her certainot Apr 2016 #56

right, hence it's not the blowjob at all, and not bill clinton's fault La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #58

he was an idiot, but we definitely didn't need to know it certainot Apr 2016 #79

It most certainly was Bubba's fault. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #189

Who wouldn't? I certainly wouldn't want my La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #221

About some of what you write, I say, "Fine." truedelphi Apr 2016 #145

Maybe she shouldn't have made a choice to have an affair with a married man? Democat Apr 2016 #61

Sometimes? SwankyXomb Apr 2016 #86

Wow, I'm surprised anyone gives a sh** about her.n/t fasttense Apr 2016 #63

no she's not. KG Apr 2016 #67

*SNAP* Annnd we're back in the room. I predicted this exactly ONE week underahedgerow Apr 2016 #68

As a Clinton supporter, I don't have a problem at all with the video. NNadir Apr 2016 #72

my nuanced view of Ms. Lewinsky steve2470 Apr 2016 #73

Email > 1990s WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #75

I love the DU Edition of Free Republic... VOX Apr 2016 #77

At least Henry Hypocrite Hyde is fucking dead now ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2016 #95

Bill should have been shamed and ostracized, just like Monica Dems to Win Apr 2016 #81

Oh, "Obama is very articulate" Dr Jill Stein? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2016 #96

God this thread has a disgusting level of slut-shaming going on ky_dem Apr 2016 #82

Because El BJ and Hillary are democrats. Throd Apr 2016 #92

i dont care about the reasons Bill and Hillary stay together. Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #94

But it wasn't her marriage ky_dem Apr 2016 #114

I'm Monica wants to sleep with bill, thats fine Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #135

there's a difference between 'some fallout' and a witch hunt ky_dem Apr 2016 #144

I don't give a crap what they beleive in Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #152

bullshit. Lewinsky initiated the relationship. There are no inherent issues for consent. kwassa Apr 2016 #113

of course there are ky_dem Apr 2016 #118

We know she initiated the relationship. She said so to Linda Tripp. kwassa Apr 2016 #125

ok - I didn't know that (would appreciate a link) ky_dem Apr 2016 #132

Thank you for providing the viewpoint of a young person Dems to Win Apr 2016 #159

Thank you for your thoughtful response! ky_dem Apr 2016 #220

You sound like a sexist ass IMO, but just my opinion. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #207

I agree, a lot of assholes posting here! Nt Logical Apr 2016 #206

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #218

It's a bit of a stretch to label this, as some are, an attack on La Clinton. mr blur Apr 2016 #84

Brave? mnhtnbb Apr 2016 #93

Linda Tripp... Lucianne Goldberg.... IcyPeas Apr 2016 #100

Oh, look! She bought a lifetime free pass into the limelight! struggle4progress Apr 2016 #121

Finding the man behind the act Fairgo Apr 2016 #127

His escapades were well 840high Apr 2016 #198

I have to admit, at one time I thought her as a total opportunist. Rex Apr 2016 #131

Right-wing nut jobs continue to bring up their old smears. NYC Liberal Apr 2016 #146

It speaks to the Clintons lack 840high Apr 2016 #200

It speaks to right-wing desperation. NYC Liberal Apr 2016 #209

Don't be a hypocrite - if a 840high Apr 2016 #211

She's aged better than he has. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #147

Yeah, she doesn't wander around voting precincts with a bullhorn ... JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #155

I've always liked that guy. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #157

Isn't she in her 40s? Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #151

... OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #153

Yeah shes terrific MFM008 Apr 2016 #154

ROFLMAO - Not a good idea, she might be "triggered" by entering the White House again! snooper2 Apr 2016 #219

"Later, she emails to explain why she didn’t walk away in the school playground – and why we Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #156

I was raped by a teacher I was told I tried to seduce him because he was a good family man dr60omg Apr 2016 #158

Sorry, I have to draw the line here justiceischeap Apr 2016 #161

.So sorry. 840high Apr 2016 #201

I lived through the Lewinsky scandal and remember thinking at the time (and still thinking) justiceischeap Apr 2016 #160

She is an attention-seeker who hates the woman she competed with. pnwmom Apr 2016 #171

Utter crap. apnu Apr 2016 #173

What a load of misogynist, blame-the-victim crap. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #176

Hillary did NOT victimize her. Hillary was the wife, and both Monica and Bill wronged Hillary. pnwmom Apr 2016 #182

Terrible post, wow, are you terrible. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #208

Linda Tripp's kinda wonderful, too. Mc Mike Apr 2016 #184

Two words Blue Dress Monk06 Apr 2016 #185

Young? Reter Apr 2016 #190

I read this right after reading the thread about how Free Republic is still obsessed. nolabear Apr 2016 #191

Actually, it's a good piece... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #197

So true, and taken advantage by an asshole IMO! Nt Logical Apr 2016 #205

"Young"? You mean she's stuck in a time-warp and is still the horny 21 year old out to get... Hekate Apr 2016 #215