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In reply to the discussion: If the Social Security fund was invested in the stock market...? [View all]Human101948
(3,457 posts)10. Except that if Wall Street gets their hands on SS there will be significant fees...
and that is exactly why thie scheme is floated and returns are misrepresented. For example--
Nor did anyone know that part of Raimondo's strategy for saving money involved handing more than $1 billion 14 percent of the state fund to hedge funds, including a trio of well-known New York-based funds: Dan Loeb's Third Point Capital was given $66 million, Ken Garschina's Mason Capital got $64 million and $70 million went to Paul Singer's Elliott Management. The funds now stood collectively to be paid tens of millions in fees every single year by the already overburdened taxpayers of her ostensibly flat-broke state. Felicitously, Loeb, Garschina and Singer serve on the board of the Manhattan Institute, a prominent conservative think tank with a history of supporting benefit-slashing reforms. The institute named Raimondo its 2011 "Urban Innovator" of the year.
The state's workers, in other words, were being forced to subsidize their own political disenfranchisement, coughing up at least $200 million to members of a group that had supported anti-labor laws. Later, when Edward Siedle, a former SEC lawyer, asked Raimondo in a column for Forbes.com how much the state was paying in fees to these hedge funds, she first claimed she didn't know. Raimondo later told the Providence Journal she was contractually obliged to defer to hedge funds on the release of "proprietary" information, which immediately prompted a letter in protest from a series of freaked-out interest groups. Under pressure, the state later released some fee information, but the information was originally kept hidden, even from the workers themselves. "When I asked, I was basically hammered," says Marcia Reback, a former sixth-grade schoolteacher and retired Providence Teachers Union president who serves as the lone union rep on Rhode Island's nine-member State Investment Commission. "I couldn't get any information about the actual costs."
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If it had been invested in 1940s, we'd all be retired and able to withstand a 20% cut. But
Hoyt
Jan 2016
#2
Except that if Wall Street gets their hands on SS there will be significant fees...
Human101948
Jan 2016
#10
I would not want SS in the stock market. But if I knew someone who could turn my $200 in savings
Hoyt
Jan 2016
#14
If they ever understand it. You won't get many people alive today who will work for bartered
Hoyt
Jan 2016
#26
the "market" here is "US Treasury Bonds" and as long as those are "marketable"
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2016
#60
The selective, ideologically driven ignorance is truly perplexing, at times. n/t
ronnie624
Jan 2016
#62
I asked that question in 2008 if Social Security had been privatized as Bush* wanted
Samantha
Jan 2016
#30
I want them collateralized with CDOs, 400 trillion $$$ of that sloshing around in the markets.
bemildred
Jan 2016
#33
I would have a problem investing my SS money into companies that outsource American
B Calm
Jan 2016
#48
if social security (and disability) were invested in the stock market, I would have a
hollysmom
Jan 2016
#51