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297. okay then, we are being presented with a dilemma

Sun Mar 22, 2015, 08:33 AM

Mar 2015

We have a diehard Democrat demonstrating the ability to stir the masses (based on number of comments) with a NO vote for Hillary..

WilliamPitt - I may not be a heavy poster, but I read many opinions and comments expressed here - and sincerely respect yours..this is a dilemma for many of us..but the attack on us is unwarranted..and unfair....btw - this is not an attack on you - simple debate -

A problem, if you will, WE MUST face, according to Hillary's vote on the Patriot Act - first brought to you by the Republicans propaganda after 911..the Iraq War, again fear mongering - told by the neo-cons - vote for it - or face the consequences ....

KXL or fracking..I need more info..(glad to see our Prez changed position for now) - glad many states are now banning fracking...many are working hard against fracking..and KXL...

I don't have an answer for WALL ST. (- seriously - regulations..answer, of course, but - we all know who holds the cards in congress -) nor do I know the reasoning of the votes Hillary made on the other subjects you present..I need to do some homework to read her reasoning when she made those votes...there is more to the story than a one liner...and yes, we need to hear what her positions are now -

The War machine, WE all faced, the fear WE all experienced after 911, with little or NO information -(Hillary has regrets about her vote)Hindsight is 20/20...

We do not always get EVERYTHING we want..just sometimes we get what we need..and right now - I, speaking for myself, do not need a republican in the WH...

So I say right back at you- (WARREN, who is beloved by my home state) IS NOT RUNNING, and BERNIE, love Bernie, CAN'T WIN - so what is a diehard Democratic voter to do -

Issue based voting, not beholdin' to any party (IND) was how our family rolled....not anymore..when you find yourself having to LEAN left just to walk upright - because of the insanity on the right..You change your party designation .....(needed, to be able to vote in AZ state primary, many of you may not have to change voter registration)

So, the question - issue based within your own party and their choice of nominee (unknown at this time) - or jump ship...and let the patients of the insane asylum take control of the wheel.. - you chose...

Do I like the fast track - TPP - absolutely NOT...fight like hell against it...call the Prez...turn this around..(this will be the issue in April) - but, do I have the Prez back...you bet! I will do the same in 2016 for whom ever the Democratic party choses for their nominee -

I have chosen my issue - NO MORE EFFIN' WAR!

I go back to "you can't always get what you want, but, just sometimes, you get what you need"

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I do not want Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic nominee. [View all] WilliamPitt Mar 2015 OP

First K&R Electric Monk Mar 2015 #1

I don't want her either. bravenak Mar 2015 #2

She's A Member Of The Bush Family billhicks76 Mar 2015 #18

Yep. Relics of the past. bravenak Mar 2015 #54

Remember "the bridge to the 21st century"? Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #183

I swear! bravenak Mar 2015 #184

OK, So let us have a more Right wing Supreme Court for the next 20 years QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #202

The supreme court is the ONLY reason I vote in the Presidential from now on. bravenak Mar 2015 #203

What makes you think that a president with so many right wing pipoman Mar 2015 #298

History sellitman Apr 2015 #493

This message was self-deleted by its author CrispyQ Mar 2015 #329

And if she loses, that's exactly what we're going to get. Let's have Dem Candidate that sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #382

If she wins marym625 Mar 2015 #383

actually Pharaoh Mar 2015 #210

Welfare refrom hit the poorest women. bravenak Mar 2015 #213

yes Pharaoh Mar 2015 #217

I know. bravenak Mar 2015 #220

I Know. Pharaoh Mar 2015 #224

Yep! bravenak Mar 2015 #228

Don't forget that the unreal marym625 Mar 2015 #393

Yep. I remember the paper princess economy. bravenak Mar 2015 #397

Let's just hope they're actually paying attention marym625 Mar 2015 #399

Yeah. I think you may be right. bravenak Mar 2015 #400

My friend DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #314

The child poverty rate among single parent housholds is extremly high NOW. bravenak Mar 2015 #348

IMHO, it's higher now because a weak economy is going to hurt those most in need first. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #349

Especially when the social safety net has already been cut during 'good times'. bravenak Mar 2015 #352

'Welfare Reform' hit the poorest, single moms and their children BEFORE the economy sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #379

What year was that, 1996, when welfare became workfare? Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #421

I'm not sure of the exact year, but Clinton signed into law. And airc, he knew how unpopular it was sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #424

August 22, 1996. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #426

Someone here claimed Bubba had actually campaigned on welfare "reform." And, as I keep saying, merrily Mar 2015 #484

and if you knew anything about the '92 campaign, you'd know he did. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #487

My post did not dispute the other poster's claim and it was irrelevant to point of my post anyway. merrily Mar 2015 #488

You said someone 'claimed' it. No, someone stated it, because it is a fact wyldwolf Mar 2015 #489

I already responded to your first point and your second is "merely wrong." merrily Mar 2015 #492

Not One Peep About 911 billhicks76 Mar 2015 #398

You Sound like the GOP, Hillary, had been a Democrat over 30 years. lewebley3 Mar 2015 #360

interesting marym625 Mar 2015 #396

Not only that, Obama is not a good American? fadedrose Mar 2015 #443

What? marym625 Mar 2015 #464

What (explained) fadedrose Mar 2015 #474

...... merrily Mar 2015 #123

me neither/nor president /nt AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #3

What do you think about Joe Biden? awake Mar 2015 #4

I could never vote for Biden ghostsinthemachine Mar 2015 #7

No More Drug Warriors billhicks76 Mar 2015 #20

Ding a ling ghostsinthemachine Mar 2015 #38

That's my issue with Biden, as well. Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #231

His work for his Delaware corporations on the bankrtuptcy bill he championed is also a problem... cascadiance Mar 2015 #241

He is not running and he Ran twice and Lost, GO Hillary!! lewebley3 Mar 2015 #370

I had heard that he was in Iowa a short while back awake Mar 2015 #374

In other news... Cooley Hurd Mar 2015 #5

Me neither ghostsinthemachine Mar 2015 #6

I agree with you oregonjen Mar 2015 #8

Will she run? still_one Mar 2015 #10

No brooklynite Mar 2015 #113

Martin O'Malley. n/t Aerows Mar 2015 #118

He's awesome. mahina Mar 2015 #158

You can stop pretending. merrily Mar 2015 #125

So, three voices constitute the Democratic Party now... brooklynite Mar 2015 #163

Sure, Gov Brown, Schumer, Van De Huevel, Frank all saying the same thing is pure coincidence. merrily Mar 2015 #170

Let's say, for the sake of discussion, that "the Party" is opposed to a Primary... brooklynite Mar 2015 #174

You must really enjoy the rolleyes emoticon or you'd post something that makes some kind of sense. merrily Mar 2015 #179

Fine, so will you vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is? still_one Mar 2015 #9

whoosh. cali Mar 2015 #11

Here in New Hampshire WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #12

I knew that, and I understand where you are coming from still_one Mar 2015 #70

That's good enough for me. Adrahil Mar 2015 #225

Good enough for me, too. aquart Mar 2015 #427

Who cares? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #58

Maybe. On the other hand it may be a push for a competitive primary still_one Mar 2015 #74

Nobody is preventing anybody from running./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #76

I know still_one Mar 2015 #161

And if Clinton's fans were correct we'd have Presidents Gore and Kerry (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #105

I supported the anti-war general in the 04 primaries. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #142

As usual with you, you're changing the subject. jeff47 Mar 2015 #362

I didn't claim anybody was morons.... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #367

And now we move on to the pedantic phase jeff47 Mar 2015 #391

The Clintons are 10-2 in general elections against the Republicans. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #392

Gore won more votes than any Dem in history. Kerry then beat that record wyldwolf Mar 2015 #411

And then Obama broke those records jeff47 Mar 2015 #434

Even though he's third way and said as much before the campaign and after wyldwolf Mar 2015 #436

He's governed following third way. jeff47 Mar 2015 #440

He wrote the most eloquently written Third Way manifesto ever. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #441

Yeah, that's why the Third way candidate crushed him in the primary. jeff47 Mar 2015 #444

Identity politics wyldwolf Mar 2015 #446

While I agree with much you have written ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #452

Here's an interesting piece comparing Sen. Warren's chances vs. Sen. Obama's results wyldwolf Mar 2015 #453

Thanks. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #457

Why is that important? rhett o rick Mar 2015 #104

So it can be used as a cudgel later. jeff47 Mar 2015 #108

The arrogance of "Clinton will be President, shut up" Aerows Mar 2015 #115

Great post. TDale313 Mar 2015 #198

Thanks. Aerows Mar 2015 #214

It's not only Hillary, though. The Party thinks she's entitled to be President with no primary to merrily Mar 2015 #200

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #483

interesting comment here ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #325

Clinton. jeff47 Mar 2015 #357

So IOWs ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #381

As long as you think she's no one. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #389

Sen. Schumer, Gov. Brown, former Rep Barney Frank, long time Democratic merrily Mar 2015 #485

Are the Democratic Party leaders that you name ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #486

Well said. HappyMe Mar 2015 #439

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #482

"you're harming our nominee by making it appear the party is fractured." LOL. The Democratic rhett o rick Mar 2015 #146

Democrats used to pride themselves on NOT being Stepford lockstep, which was the right's schtick. merrily Mar 2015 #199

You said it well. I completely agree. Conservatives are conservatives even if they call rhett o rick Mar 2015 #207

Can't speak for Cali, but I can speak for Aerows Aerows Mar 2015 #109

+1 Veilex Mar 2015 #155

+2 L0oniX Mar 2015 #302

+1 more. n/t :) Chan790 Mar 2015 #368

Perhaps you mean anointee. merrily Mar 2015 #128

No no no ...silly. It's "demigod". L0oniX Mar 2015 #304

Oh so right. Period. End of file. Autumn Mar 2015 #13

And your other choices will be???? merrily Mar 2015 #129

Kick and Rec for TRUTH! nt hifiguy Mar 2015 #14

I agree with you. Sienna86 Mar 2015 #15

Agree, Will, but what are the alternatives? Expecially if Warren, Sanders and O'Malley don't run KoKo Mar 2015 #16

I can bet you O'Malley will run Aerows Mar 2015 #23

So will I. 840high Mar 2015 #68

If he does run, it will be only as a stalking horse for Hillary and maybe as a candidate next time. merrily Mar 2015 #131

Excuse me Aerows Mar 2015 #137

Huh? I cited quotes from Rep. Frank (video), Gov. Brown, Sen. Schumer (Daily Kos), Katrina merrily Mar 2015 #141

I saw Newsmax Aerows Mar 2015 #150

I saw Brown say it on video. My links are to the effect that the party thinks primaries are bad. merrily Mar 2015 #151

Didn't mean to accuse you of such. Aerows Mar 2015 #160

Apology not needed, but accepted. If she were really the only one who could win, they would welcome merrily Mar 2015 #211

There is someone worse than Newsmax? Dang, they must be really really bad. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #338

Maybe this? Marr Mar 2015 #185

Thank you. I saw Brown in a video saying this or something similar. merrily Mar 2015 #197

Thanks for that link red dog 1 Mar 2015 #401

I may write in ann--- Mar 2015 #29

Oh, Here...Could Chris Van Hollen be a "Dark Horse Candidate" KoKo Mar 2015 #30

...... merrily Mar 2015 #143

I appreciate your points, and you are probably four years too late. oldandhappy Mar 2015 #17

As E. Warren keeps saying, the system is rigged. merrily Mar 2015 #132

Cuz there's not a dimes worth of difference between al gore and George bush. greenman3610 Mar 2015 #19

Your point? Gore won, bush stole it. Remember? morningfog Mar 2015 #24

That is a general election argument not a pre-primary argument. Besides, Gore won. merrily Mar 2015 #136

Anyone who still pushes this stale talking point is not worth reading. [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2015 #355

I'm a Democrat in good standing. I'll wait. MyNameGoesHere Mar 2015 #21

I was a Democrat in the womb and I echo your sentiments in toto/NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #39

I don't want her either Aerows Mar 2015 #22

Any D but Hillary. morningfog Mar 2015 #25

Andrew Cuomo? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #28

NO GOD NO !!!! pangaia Mar 2015 #96

Cuomo is an opportunistic weasel sellout scumbag. tomp Mar 2015 #318

Right you are. pangaia Mar 2015 #321

me too! tomp Mar 2015 #323

+1 Enthusiast Mar 2015 #339

Wrong kind of "d" Fearless Mar 2015 #187

Me, neither ann--- Mar 2015 #26

A-fucking-men android fan Mar 2015 #27

If Bernie runs, I'll quit my job and go door to door for him! emsimon33 Mar 2015 #259

Nor do I. But if she is, I will vote for her. I hope ... 11 Bravo Mar 2015 #31

I will make it simple for you kratos00 Mar 2015 #32

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #81

The politics of fear. Maedhros Mar 2015 #356

How can someone be so hated, despised and reviled... yallerdawg Mar 2015 #33

The Teapartiers hate her... Whiskeytide Mar 2015 #52

Nope. She's in the club. hifiguy Mar 2015 #111

They hate anyone who isn't in their little cult. [nt] Jester Messiah Mar 2015 #85

Because she can win WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #91

She can beat any other Republican in the race (Clown) car. Can she beat a Progressive Populist Vincardog Mar 2015 #124

Fascinating reply. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #209

They have no idea why they do not like her. pangaia Mar 2015 #100

They hate Joe Manchin too. Chan790 Mar 2015 #373

Which Democrat is actually running that you could support? Jim Webb? n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #34

Nobody is running yet. Aerows Mar 2015 #167

Who, besides Hillary and Jim, has a campaign organization ready, or even started? n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #171

Martin O'Malley. n/t Aerows Mar 2015 #173

So are you supporting him for President? n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #176

Did you miss my sig? n/t Aerows Mar 2015 #178

. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #282

You know good and well he is not voting for a democratic nominee. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #283

Not sure which "he" you are referring to Aerows Mar 2015 #371

finally a candidate willspitt can get behind. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #429

I see your "Space Reserved for O'Malley" thingy ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #454

Anyone got a link for where Hillary supported Keystone? Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #35

She fully supports fracking. She refuses to answer on Keystone, tho the Clinton foundation peacebird Mar 2015 #43

The Clintons have feathered their nest very nicely hifiguy Mar 2015 #50

True. We need a better candidate peacebird Mar 2015 #55

Links? Proof? Your say-so is not enough when you make claims like that. nt MADem Mar 2015 #248

here you go AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #65

Ummmm.... that's Bill (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #67

keep reading .... AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #69

Sorry, I still don't see where she endorsed Keystone (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #75

Keystone lobbyist gave $500,000 to Clinton Foundation. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #77

So when someone makes a donation to a charity Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #101

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #106

I'm pretty sure that if Hillary had ever endorsed Keystone someone would have posted a link by now. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #110

"if Hillary had ever endorsed Keystone" - Of course she endorced it... she oversaw the permit. Veilex Mar 2015 #162

In other words, she hasn't endorsed it. DanTex Mar 2015 #196

But she was "inclined to approve it" RiverLover Mar 2015 #295

+1 Veilex Mar 2015 #345

When it comes to politics, donations purchase a piece of that candidate. Chemisse Mar 2015 #212

You haven't made the connection. MADem Mar 2015 #249

FFS she hired a Keystone-connected company to do AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #251

Links? Where did Obama say "I'm taking this out of your hands because I don't like MADem Mar 2015 #253

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #254

Did you even read that? It doesn't say what you're claiming, at all. MADem Mar 2015 #255

I admire your reserve after your interlocutor advised you to perform a unnatural act on yourself. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #263

Eh...by their words we shall know them, I always say. MADem Mar 2015 #264

I don't want any hides so I try to censor myself the best I can. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #265

I have decided that I'm not going to let that kind of stuff bother me. MADem Mar 2015 #316

Where is your candidate? If I did not want Hillary I would present an alternate candidate and Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #36

Thats fine and I will not insult you. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #37

I love you hrmjustin Aerows Mar 2015 #133

I love you too Aerows! hrmjustin Mar 2015 #145

Me either. I am retiring end of May and plan to donate time to Anybody But HRC.... peacebird Mar 2015 #40

Nothing wrong with that, some here do like the idea of options. Rex Mar 2015 #41

But would you buy a used car from her? riqster Mar 2015 #42

They always asked that question about Nixon. hifiguy Mar 2015 #60

yes, but... druidity33 Mar 2015 #299

Get the Carfax! riqster Mar 2015 #343

I “live with her record” easily, because when you actually look at her record, it is a strong liberal one. NYC Liberal Mar 2015 #44

thanks I will keep this and send to all I know riversedge Mar 2015 #46

Thank you NYC Liberal for some facts. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #72

NYC Liberal wins the thread WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #95

"Fought against electric rate cut" "Yes: criminalize flag burning" "Yes to wiretapping" NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #229

Don't you remember the discussion about the flag burning business here on DU? MADem Mar 2015 #234

"onetheissues" is the source, and we are entering the primaries. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #235

You know, I brought OTI to this board, years ago...but my point is that the flag burning gripe is a MADem Mar 2015 #238

I'm sure you're right about the flag thing, I didn't follow it. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #239

The context obviates the "accusation" that Clinton was somehow in the "Waaah!! No Flag Burning!!!" MADem Mar 2015 #245

Well said document!!!!! Alot of work went into this. Going onecent Mar 2015 #117

Nice info but many years ago. I don't hear her say anything good concerning the glinda Mar 2015 #138

Good job! JaneyVee Mar 2015 #165

Thank you for this fantastic post. blue neen Mar 2015 #175

Thank you so much for posting and consider making this its own op. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #205

I think this older more traditional graph is more accurate and relevant cascadiance Mar 2015 #243

Great--a Republican who is good on social issues. I want more than that from a Democrat eridani Mar 2015 #289

The ugly truth. But there it is. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #342

WOW! - JUST WOW! asiliveandbreathe Mar 2015 #305

Good to know! smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #335

That Votematch graph distorts her record Fiendish Thingy Mar 2015 #340

Those graphs are worthless when used that way. Marr Mar 2015 #351

Thank you NYC Liberal. lovemydog Mar 2015 #394

And I hear she uses Tuirbo Tax to file her taxes...nt SidDithers Mar 2015 #45

Bravo! Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #53

You're mean... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #59

We are on the same sheet of music. Savannahmann Mar 2015 #47

Wyden is my Senator, I wrote to tell him that if he fast tracks the TPP I'll support a primary Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #448

The reason nobody is mentioning Biden, or Dodd, or anyone else is the context. Savannahmann Mar 2015 #450

I don't want anyone to be the Democratic nominee. NBachers Mar 2015 #48

me neither moonbeam23 Mar 2015 #66

" She voted like a Republican on the Patriot Act and the war..." DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #49

Yes - clearly the entire Democratic Senate contingent is way off target. Maedhros Mar 2015 #359

I can't remember any time I voted holding my nose and my candidate won starroute Mar 2015 #51

+1 Dems to Win Mar 2015 #262

I've been a hard core Democrat as long as you, and I disagree. Sancho Mar 2015 #56

What was Nixon like in person? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #63

More personable than on TV to me. Sancho Mar 2015 #78

TY. Neat experience for you./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #79

It caused a family crisis, but I was all in for Carter Sancho Mar 2015 #89

The most abhorrent politician I've ever come across was "charismatic" in person. delrem Mar 2015 #252

I have met several politicians in my life... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #261

So, how do you suppose that Hillary can court "the left"? delrem Mar 2015 #267

It's 2:00 A M here so my thought process is slowed. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #268

Ah. You say Hillary doesn't even have to work at it. She's got it in the bag. delrem Mar 2015 #271

No guarantees in life but death , taxes and Adam Sandler making cheesy movies. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #272

Are you a robot? delrem Mar 2015 #273

I thought you wanted to engage me in conversation and not insult me. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #274

It was an honest question. delrem Mar 2015 #275

I never said she wouldn't run on her record. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #276

Yes, these buzzwords sure the fuck are going to be a "staple" of a "New Deal". delrem Mar 2015 #278

I am hurt that you continue to verbally assault me but I refuse to respond in kind. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #281

I apologize for the verbal assault. I couldn't help it, so I'm doubly sorry. delrem Mar 2015 #284

No problem DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #322

I'm with you one squillion percent... gregcrawford Mar 2015 #57

I don't want her to be president. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #61

You will get your one vote. And get to wear the white hat. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #62

Ditto. SoapBox Mar 2015 #64

I remember that Kucinich was your guy in 2004. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #71

Some of us DO learn. bvar22 Mar 2015 #182

What's he doing, these days? MADem Mar 2015 #247

A man needs to earn a living and put food on his table./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #402

Yes, indeed. Valid point! MADem Mar 2015 #423

Why spend all that energy fighting for a good candidate when Wall Street can do it for us? whereisjustice Mar 2015 #73

Hillary is a centrist, and only a centrist will win in the General c588415 Mar 2015 #80

She is nowhere near centrist right now... android fan Mar 2015 #122

Indeed, Sanders or Warren would fit, nevertheless, neither would win in c588415 Mar 2015 #181

We've been fed that tired line about only a centrist can win just so we'll dflprincess Mar 2015 #204

Martin O'Malley mahina Mar 2015 #347

IMO Warren would win in an historic landslide. n/t totodeinhere Mar 2015 #337

We've been chasing the Republicans rightward for decades TDale313 Mar 2015 #206

"Corporate-Friendly Democrats Mobilize to Drag Party Rightward" & ^ here's one now! RiverLover Mar 2015 #293

+999999999999999999999999999999999999999 L0oniX Mar 2015 #308

lol - you sure got that right! whereisjustice Mar 2015 #311

I'm with ya! n/t zentrum Mar 2015 #82

I'm with you. Jester Messiah Mar 2015 #83

I want the Democratic nominee to be...... DFW Mar 2015 #84

What do you think about This Candidate's Background? KoKo Mar 2015 #87

I love his international background DFW Mar 2015 #102

I think Van Hollden would be a good candidate, TBH android fan Mar 2015 #130

Thanks...that's what struck me as so important for "These Times of Endless War/Engagements"... KoKo Mar 2015 #144

Koko, Van Hollen is another Third Way snake Oilwellian Mar 2015 #433

These are all good thoughts, my dear DFW. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2015 #88

Ah, Peggy, don't jump the gun DFW Mar 2015 #107

Why do you think those like Bill Kristol is so desparate to keep Hillary out of the General Election Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #159

Not just Kristol on the right DFW Mar 2015 #240

As far as "distancing" from the republicans is really a TP theory, Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #326

She is a lightning rod Fritz Walter Mar 2015 #86

Welcome to DU, Fritz Walter! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2015 #90

Line jumper The Jungle 1 Mar 2015 #92

I don't want her to be the Democratic nominee either MissDeeds Mar 2015 #93

ok and rtracey Mar 2015 #94

Most of them scream about Sanders being a "socialist" davidpdx Mar 2015 #154

really rtracey Mar 2015 #346

Not arguing against you davidpdx Mar 2015 #425

then I say rtracey Mar 2015 #431

Would you rather have a Rep. pres. Sick_of_TP Mar 2015 #97

"no questions asked" WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #99

I do not want ANY GOP to be President lobodons Mar 2015 #98

I'll wait too, but... AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #103

Neither do I Flatpicker Mar 2015 #112

You WERE a Democrat in good standing Android3.14 Mar 2015 #114

Hateful Negative HRC attacks Cryptoad Mar 2015 #116

You (and other Clinton supporters) are using a strawman to attack anyone who criticizes Clinton davidpdx Mar 2015 #166

Disagree on "The only reason Hillary Clinton would get elected is her husband" whereisjustice Mar 2015 #244

Well, ok maybe not hateful but a bit mean davidpdx Mar 2015 #260

She was a middle class kid who grew up to graduate from the most prestigious law school DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #266

So what? That doesn't entitle her to a anything. And it's hardly hateful to point it out. whereisjustice Mar 2015 #294

Three points. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #312

Sorry. Our party has decided that primaries suck. merrily Mar 2015 #119

Good point. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #120

Delighted to know that... brooklynite Mar 2015 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author irisblue Mar 2015 #126

Me neither. mahina Mar 2015 #127

I do not hate Hillary Clinton. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #134

This is just a replay of 2008. Didn't you say the same things then? Didn't the people who are OregonBlue Mar 2015 #135

OK. Pitch someone else, Will. MineralMan Mar 2015 #139

I will not vote for Hillary in the primary nor if she makes it to the general election. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #140

Brilliant. sellitman Mar 2015 #218

You would be wrong. I have voted straight democratic ticket for 19 years but not anymore. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #227

A wanna be Nader voter sellitman Mar 2015 #296

I am loving this. You people are hilarious. You don't really believe that bullying people on the liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #377

I second that sentiment. Maedhros Mar 2015 #459

They need to start a third party.... raindaddy Mar 2015 #147

Funny how Elizabeth Warren doesn't feel that way... brooklynite Mar 2015 #195

until the left stops ignoring the right's best weapon she's what dems get certainot Mar 2015 #148

Really? cyberspirit Mar 2015 #149

I DO think she'd be a great nominee.... for the REPUBLICAN Party. dirtydickcheney Mar 2015 #152

K & R Thespian2 Mar 2015 #153

I logged in just to recommend this. nt silvershadow Mar 2015 #156

No To HRC - Third Way - DLCer Extraordinaire cantbeserious Mar 2015 #157

there sure is a disconect here olddots Mar 2015 #164

Recommended. Now is the time to complain, to fight, to demand better. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #168

We're force fed rotten candidates that make false claims to get our votes, then turn around and blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #169

I don't like Hillary either BUT KauaiK Mar 2015 #172

you forgot Wrong on TPP. she helped write that piece of shit. nt magical thyme Mar 2015 #177

Aw, Will, why? tavalon Mar 2015 #180

Thank You! Faux pas Mar 2015 #186

lol WP, you eee-villl Hillary hater! That's what I've been called 4 espousin the same views. Welcome 2 a not so exclusive club! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #188

We CAN do better. nt LWolf Mar 2015 #189

Like I have said before WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2015 #190

K&R DeSwiss Mar 2015 #191

Brilliant. Thanks for that post! Divernan Mar 2015 #216

HRC's corporate donors WILL call in their quid pro quos on SCOTUS appointments. Divernan Mar 2015 #192

Please tell me how Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer voted on the cases you cited? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #285

Her SCOTUS appointments will be successfully blocked and obstructed to oblivion. L0oniX Mar 2015 #301

I'd respond "anyone but Hillary..." mike_c Mar 2015 #193

Who DO you support then ? V0ltairesGh0st Mar 2015 #194

OMG! sheshe2 Mar 2015 #208

Comparing WilliamPitt to Jame's O'Keefe? Maedhros Mar 2015 #461

succinctly V0ltairesGh0st Apr 2015 #495

I usually agree with you. tavernier Mar 2015 #201

No I don't think it will be Bush workinclasszero Mar 2015 #215

Ok, do you see my point, now? tavernier Mar 2015 #223

I'm on record predicting Cruz winning GOP nom. Although I think Walker is also a possibility. stevenleser Mar 2015 #344

I agree workinclasszero Mar 2015 #386

LOL, the old "Nominate Hillary or we will lose the General Election" BS. Classic! nt Logical Mar 2015 #219

Fair enough... Explain how a Bernie Sanders wins a national election. brooklynite Mar 2015 #222

I agree she will probably be the nominee. And I am very disappointed about it. Not a fan. nt Logical Mar 2015 #332

ATM, I DO think she has the best chance in the general.... Adrahil Mar 2015 #226

I tend to agree with you. Just not thrilled about her. nt Logical Mar 2015 #331

The only thing worse would be a TeaBagger for potus. Stellar Mar 2015 #221

Find a challenger. joshcryer Mar 2015 #230

I havent made up my mind. I realize it's an unpopular position but Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #232

I'll Just Say... K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #233

The martyr... alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #236

Why are we comparing her to republican candidates? tularetom Mar 2015 #237

Why not? Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #250

Really? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #310

Did you see the cover of this week's Time magazine? Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #406

She wasn't in the Senate./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #407

Obviously, you haven't seen this week's Time magazine. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #408

They are clairvoyants. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #409

Ha ha ha!!!! Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #410

You suggested Time magazine knew how a senator would vote on an issue... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #412

Don't get personal about it. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #415

I didn't get personal... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #417

That is not the issue that is on the newstands this week. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #419

The persons who receives the most delegates is and should be the nominee./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #420

K&R we can do better!!!! fbc Mar 2015 #242

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #246

That's how it is now davidn3600 Mar 2015 #257

Nor do I. It is powerful to state that here. However... senseandsensibility Mar 2015 #256

Wrong on Syria! So many Democratic activists agree emsimon33 Mar 2015 #258

If forced by my Democratic Party to accept her as nominee, I will. raven mad Mar 2015 #269

Hey, you caused a shitstorm of a discussion, Mr. Pitt! nt delrem Mar 2015 #270

That's your prerogative. Your vote is your own. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #277

Neither do the Republicans n/t bobGandolf Mar 2015 #279

Clickbait. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #280

OP you forgot she's also incompetent. dolphinsandtuna Mar 2015 #286

We've been down this path before with these same exact posts in 2007 and I ask you this... LynneSin Mar 2015 #287

The alternative really scares me. anniebelle Mar 2015 #288

Let me know if anyone changes your mind. marym625 Mar 2015 #290

I made up my mind when republicans attacked her on the made up Benghazi bullshit. The B Calm Mar 2015 #291

A factor in Hillary's favor Poppy9159 Mar 2015 #292

okay then, we are being presented with a dilemma asiliveandbreathe Mar 2015 #297

Well we're not really voting for Hillary, we're voting for a SCOTUS pick that will be obstructed. L0oniX Mar 2015 #300

Why do people believe a corporate centered conservative like Hillary, wouldn't put a corporate whereisjustice Mar 2015 #307

Ignorance? L0oniX Mar 2015 #309

I'm shocked. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #303

I'd like to see a better candidate TBF Mar 2015 #306

Sherrod Brown.... Harriety Mar 2015 #313

When Rahm Emanuel said "where else are they [liberals] going to go?" it confirmed GoneFishin Mar 2015 #315

It appears that you and a few hundred DUers are in the same boat rock Mar 2015 #317

President Cruz is good for you? WhiteTara Mar 2015 #319

I don't either ctsnowman Mar 2015 #320

Will, when you're right, you're right! And you nailed it on the nose. marble falls Mar 2015 #324

By his own criteria, he's been wrong so often, we should ignore him. randome Mar 2015 #328

Like you and me, Will will vote for Hillary if a better candidate does not appear..... marble falls Mar 2015 #428

Pitt for President! IronLionZion Mar 2015 #327

Thank you! K&R! Daemonaquila Mar 2015 #330

BUT HILLARY IS A WOMAN!!! tomsaiditagain Mar 2015 #333

Hillary is way Different from Bush, Romney's etc they are trust fund Babies lewebley3 Mar 2015 #365

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #334

K&R. I don't want her as the nominee, either. rury Mar 2015 #336

That's OK. I wanted you to be right on the Karl Rove indictment. Looks like disappointment for you stevenleser Mar 2015 #341

I wanted Jason Leopold to be right with the Rove indictment article, too. WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #366

Jason Leopold kpete Mar 2015 #369

No doubt. WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #372

It's totally unexplainable. It's unfathomable, to be frank about it. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #390

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #350

Posts # 44 and #310 refute your echo chamber nonsense rather well. Persondem Mar 2015 #353

Your a troll of the GOP, If Democrats work as team we can get anyone elected (Go Hillary) lewebley3 Mar 2015 #354

I'm a troll. OK. WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #364

JURY: lotsa comments. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #375

Ow. WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #376

Some jury results are like bad art. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #378

I agree red dog 1 Mar 2015 #405

"EPer"? A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #422

Thanks for catching that red dog 1 Mar 2015 #465

There's that ...and then there are demigod oligarchy trolls. L0oniX Mar 2015 #438

Trolls that mean to do Harm to Democrats bash Democrats lewebley3 Mar 2015 #449

The "check spelling" tab only correct words ...not sentence structure. L0oniX Mar 2015 #478

Tough choice Ted Cruuz is going to announce still_one Mar 2015 #358

At Liberty University/NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #363

Really, I didn't know that still_one Mar 2015 #380

she is NOT my first choice kpete Mar 2015 #361

I just want to control both the White House and the Congress (w/supermajority again). ellisonz Mar 2015 #384

I'm currently reading a book by Bernie Sanders about one of his campaigns. Vinca Mar 2015 #385

I have absolutely no quarrel with what you've said. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2015 #387

...and just so we're clear: WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #388

(Rec # 289) Your a republican troll! I bet you even protested against the Invasion of Iraq! Zorra Mar 2015 #395

That leads to two conclusions customerserviceguy Mar 2015 #403

I don't want Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders, I want a candidate who can win. George II Mar 2015 #404

K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Mar 2015 #413

"By the way, you sure brought out the trolls with this one." WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #416

You cracked me up with that one! red dog 1 Mar 2015 #418

She is the best realFedUp Mar 2015 #414

Do ya think we'll even have a convention? fadedrose Mar 2015 #430

Care to point to the same angst you felt in 2000? brooklynite Mar 2015 #435

Gore was Vice President fadedrose Mar 2015 #442

Except that the VP isn't running... brooklynite Mar 2015 #445

I guess he's waiting for the woman fadedrose Mar 2015 #447

You're tired, are you? brooklynite Mar 2015 #456

I like David Axelrod fadedrose Mar 2015 #473

I think you're not looking at the big picture... brooklynite Mar 2015 #480

98 Senators out of 100 voted for the Patriot Act oberliner Mar 2015 #432

But that doesn't matter ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #455

I am going to explain it to you and end all of your "concerns." NCTraveler Mar 2015 #437

Perhaps you'll find solace in your own words ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #451

I thought you were over the Iraq vote. JTFrog Mar 2015 #458

To be fair, it's been TWELVE YEARS since that post. Maedhros Mar 2015 #462

And in those TWELVE YEARS, JTFrog Mar 2015 #463

I would imagine we would have seen more support Maedhros Mar 2015 #466

No... JTFrog Mar 2015 #470

Oh, you're using that tired talking point. Maedhros Mar 2015 #472

talk about 'tired talking points.' wyldwolf Mar 2015 #477

Me too neither. iscooterliberally Mar 2015 #460

thanks Will for bringing this up olddots Mar 2015 #467

If you don't like Hillary you may not be a democrat. ileus Mar 2015 #468

Wrong on C Street. KamaAina Mar 2015 #469

This ain't Burger King, bro. In a Corporate Oligarchy, you get it their way, or you get it Zorra Mar 2015 #471

Hey Pitt....Too many posts in this thread fadedrose Mar 2015 #475

We are going ot have a primary. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #476

The primary is a "gong" show now??? L0oniX Mar 2015 #479

DURec leftstreet Mar 2015 #481

K&R woo me with science Mar 2015 #490

Well said, Will. City Lights Mar 2015 #491

Resistance is futile. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2015 #494