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William769

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117. I still have yet to see where this has taken place.

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:13 AM

Feb 2015

That's my argument. This OP is nothing but yet another attack on Hillary.

As I stated here. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6286261

When I see Hillary attacked, yes I am going to defend her.

Is that asking for a Hillary Oath? there are at least 4 to 5 OP's daily attacking Hillary (and I am being generous with keeping that number down).

If those attacks stopped (and yes they are attacks right out of the right wing's handbook), you would see a totally different General Discussion.

Knowing you the way I thought I did, I am surprised at your post. This is really disappointing to me because of how I have always felt towards you. I will leave it t that.

Also this thread is not about candidate y or candidate x as it so states and as the OP has said many times though out the thread.

Go in peace.

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I am disgusted by the whole "party loyalty" meme [View all] daredtowork Feb 2015 OP

I have noticed Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #1

Not sure if you're referring to my post daredtowork Feb 2015 #7

I've noticed a segment that goes directly to insults. Don't worry about that segment. merrily Feb 2015 #56

DU can't make you vote a certain way, DU can't upaloopa Feb 2015 #163

I could give a shit about loyalty to a party that is almost as bought off as the cons are randys1 Feb 2015 #209

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #247

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #2

There have already been many hints that DU's left does't belong here. merrily Feb 2015 #69

I hope not, I am as far left as you can get. Now those folks who say they are left but will randys1 Feb 2015 #211

I have not noticed you being very far left, but I'll take your word for it. merrily Mar 2015 #245

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #3

Cupcake? Ugh. merrily Feb 2015 #53

Do you have negative feelings against cupcakes? Old and In the Way Feb 2015 #63

I have a negative feeling toward condescension, esp. words associated with condescension to females. merrily Feb 2015 #66

Just for the record, I was not the one who alerted on your post. merrily Feb 2015 #71

i did alert on it SwampG8r Feb 2015 #73

You did not have to post that, so kudos to you for so doing. merrily Feb 2015 #82

i did it i own it SwampG8r Feb 2015 #87

You did own it. Not everyone would have, by any stretch. So, I am still giving you kudos, merrily Feb 2015 #92

so glad to see an ALERTER owning their Alert. AWESOME JOB, SwampG8r !! Thank-you Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #201

You have hosts that make fun of alerters too.... bettyellen Feb 2015 #242

Thank you, Betty Ellen, for the information. That is very unfortunate about the hosts. merrily Mar 2015 #244

a group of very libertarian minded who fight to "leave everything" bettyellen Mar 2015 #246

I like juror 3's comment. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #130

+1 In_The_Wind Feb 2015 #144

Ugh indeed. Veilex Feb 2015 #149

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #4

Here is a problem, I have been a Democrat all of my life, have wanted different issues to develop Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #5

That's a fake issue right now daredtowork Feb 2015 #9

The 2014 Election gave a majority to the GOP in both the Senate and House. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #13

Which means daredtowork Feb 2015 #23

What do you consider as the Demicrat base? Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #24

Whoever the Democrat candidate thinks is likely to vote for them. daredtowork Feb 2015 #47

Again, when an election is lost it is not the fault of the voters. The mid terms have been analyzed sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #239

Yes. The primary has not even begun yet. Preach! merrily Feb 2015 #83

Until the primary is over.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #225

Control of the Senate? As in 60 votes plus enough to counter all conservative Democrats? So, maybe merrily Feb 2015 #72

We have civil rights thanks to the following Supreme Court Justices" JDPriestly Feb 2015 #118

It's totally counterproductive if that's what they are trying to do, let them waste their money Fumesucker Feb 2015 #6

Yes, but during that decade, it was probably Republican radio, and the rw of the (R) party to boot. merrily Feb 2015 #90

Blaming the voters is probably one of the worst political strategies, if that what it is, sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #8

LoZoccolo again Fumesucker Feb 2015 #10

Exactly, which is why I wonder if it isn't the goal, to drive voters away. There is no other logical sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #18

Do you think your base is 44%? Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #28

Why do you think Democrats lost the House and the Senate? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #34

Also note how fired up people were when Obama started doing more social things daredtowork Feb 2015 #48

They do not want the Left in the party other than to go vote and then stfu. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #54

The party power brokers figure the left and African Americans have no choice, so tblue37 Feb 2015 #106

Yes, and that attitude has lost the Dem Party a lot of members. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #109

Comments on distain and indifference toward left voters are unfortunate but not really appalachiablue Feb 2015 #241

Thank you. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #112

+1 it IS odd. nt laundry_queen Feb 2015 #146

Absolutely. LoZo was one of a few posters I put on ignore for that very reason. nt stillwaiting Feb 2015 #143

Oh but Lozo pissed off all the right people Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #169

LoZoccolo was one of the greatest DUers this board has ever seen Dr. Strange Feb 2015 #243

Yep, I've entertained the double-agent GOP theory before daredtowork Feb 2015 #11

Make no mistake, they ARE here. Adrahil Feb 2015 #226

There is one I'm fairly sure of daredtowork Feb 2015 #232

"designed it to push voters away from the party" = seems that way to me, too. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #15

That's fine, but keep in mind.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #227

as i said: if it's a choice between crap and crap... ND-Dem Feb 2015 #236

Are you still hung up on the sports metaphors... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #19

As I see it, you are with us or you are against us, it is about uniting to win, I dont Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #29

Its really hard to tell.....willful? Or worse? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #33

And there is a perfect example of what the OP is about. WHO are you talking about when you say this: sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #37

Perhaps you have never read a post where it says if Hillary is the nominee Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #185

No, I have not seen anyone here say they will not vote. I have seen people say sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #188

Again who is "Us" daredtowork Feb 2015 #49

Democrats...the ones that are loyal to OTHER Democrats by agreeing to abide by and vote for OUR VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #155

So you would be loyal to, let's say, Lieberman, if he had been the nominee? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #190

but he isn't and my fellow Democrats are NOT going to elect him.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #192

I believe you are now violating the TOS of this forum. You are accusing good Democrats here of sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #194

OH "I" am the one violating TOS? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #195

Yes, prove your false attack on other Democrats who you claimed are not Democrats. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #198

"False attack" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #199

You are attempting to wiggle out of what you just said. You falsely sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #202

I am not wiggling out of anything......I have ALWAYS held this position.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #205

Where have I heard that before......... davidpdx Feb 2015 #140

Democrats ARE expected to be loyal to those who elect them. I've explained this to you before, but sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #31

I am talking about US! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #36

Who chooses the people we are asked to elect? Do the people have any say in that? IF we are sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #43

WE DO!!!! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #44

Who is 'we'?? There IS NO CANDIDATE right now. WE WANT A SAY IN WHO THAT sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #45

There is no WE yet daredtowork Feb 2015 #55

Excellent post, thank you for explaining what is going on here far better than I have been able to sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #59

No....again you are obfuscating.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #156

And you're still hung up on demands for loyalty oaths Scootaloo Feb 2015 #95

Yes...loyalty to your fellow Democrats decision in the Primary! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #157

And you're pulling for Clinton, right? Scootaloo Feb 2015 #171

She has double digit leads over all Republicans today..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #172

First off, some basic corrections Scootaloo Feb 2015 #180

NO...you are wrong... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #181

Warren, Biden, Sanders, Webb, O'Malley... which of these are the republican? Scootaloo Feb 2015 #214

Oh that was just about the "points" you were denying... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #216

yeah, I got that, but you said "republicans," then listed a bunch of Democrats Scootaloo Feb 2015 #218

OMG VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #220

VR, I know it's been explained to you before.. Scootaloo Feb 2015 #240

Sherrod Brown is another good Dem who might be interested in running. Russ Feingold sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #237

two words for you... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #182

I supported Obama because of his stand on the issues as opposed to Hillary's on the same issues. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #183

WTF does this even have to do with what I just said... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #184

Speaking of the loyalty police......... davidpdx Feb 2015 #138

Loyalty Police? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #160

No one should ever accept anything at face value. Baitball Blogger Feb 2015 #204

I find it VERY effective for sorting the wheat from the chaff. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #208

Ah. I may have jumped into the conversation midway. Baitball Blogger Feb 2015 #215

Thank you...THAT is my point... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #217

Thank you for proving my point davidpdx Feb 2015 #234

What Point would that be? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #235

+1 People show up in droves if they believe something significant in their lives will be affected. merrily Feb 2015 #85

And on the flipside Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #119

Exactly.....some are shallow...some are not! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #161

Then go out and find all those 'non-voters'. You won't find them here so your comment is irrelevant sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #165

So are you really claiming that you have NOT seen posts claiming that VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #177

My dear, I work at a university Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #224

I know the statistics on non voters. I also know that DUers vote. My response was wrt your sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #238

This should be an OP Marrah_G Feb 2015 #153

Yep, If a team makes bad calls and lose, they fire the coach! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #154

According to the first one to make that analogy...the coaches are US! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #162

Seriously, that's how you see the analogy? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #167

So I take that as a "No...you don't " an Yes that IS how I see the analogy... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #168

It seem you are misconstruing or misunderstand the analogy? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #173

Not misconstruing or misunderstanding anything.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #229

The problem is, we currently don't even know who are candidates are. KMOD Feb 2015 #12

YES!!! daredtowork Feb 2015 #16

absolutely! KMOD Feb 2015 #27

No, there hasn't but there is a definite push to get people to accept ONE candidate with no sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #22

There is clearly a divide here, and it runs deep KMOD Feb 2015 #35

I don't see a thread saying anything like THIS about Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #38

??? KMOD Feb 2015 #39

Because the threads supporting Bernie and Elizabeth Warren aren't so pushy daredtowork Feb 2015 #61

HIDE THREAD is your friend, I'd say. MADem Feb 2015 #107

I feel this is a threat daredtowork Feb 2015 #127

Really? Your definition of "threat" must be unique. Let me address your points, one by one. MADem Feb 2015 #129

Maybe you should practice what you preach. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #135

I am not bothered by differing opinions. The person who created this thread is. MADem Feb 2015 #145

You sure have fooled me. I could have sworn that the vast majority of your posts BeanMusical Feb 2015 #152

Well, golly gee, that's a difficulty in reading comprehension that you'll just have to work to MADem Feb 2015 #186

Nice cliché. You are funny! Hmmm, MAD? BeanMusical Feb 2015 #228

There's no cliché in my comments, sorry to disappoint. MADem Feb 2015 #230

You never fail to. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #231

Fail to what? MADem Feb 2015 #233

aren't so pushy? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #175

Maybe because Sanders and Warren don't induce that poster to heaves? Scootaloo Feb 2015 #97

I think what you are seeing from those who are excited about people like Warren and Sanders sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #42

I admit, I'm unfamiliar with a lot of the history of discourse here, KMOD Feb 2015 #46

Most DUers get along fine, the discourse is respectful and informative. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #50

Thank you for the layman explanation, KMOD Feb 2015 #64

Yes, most of us are on the page. Some are not and never will be and that's fine too, so long as they sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #77

People who put... sendero Feb 2015 #147

I agree and they are the reason why our Party is losing elections. n/t sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #189

It is not possible for every Democrat to win in a primary. merrily Feb 2015 #86

Some of it is shaming to harass Aerows Feb 2015 #14

As a Left Democrat daredtowork Feb 2015 #20

Yes, forbidden to criticize someone with a D behind their name. Yet NOT forbidden for those who sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #25

See post 14 for a good laugh related to what you said davidpdx Feb 2015 #141

Have you noticed the name of this website? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #17

See my post #10 Fumesucker Feb 2015 #21

Have you? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #26

Above you said get on the team daredtowork Feb 2015 #30

You first! Old and In the Way Feb 2015 #32

I find that hard to believe Fumesucker Feb 2015 #41

I am disgusted by the whole "destroy the party loyalty oath if I don't get my way" meme. nt William769 Feb 2015 #40

Which party loyalty oath? merrily Feb 2015 #52

My party loyalty oath is I am a Democrat. William769 Feb 2015 #57

No. I am a Democrat too. My Party never required any oath of me. Only some DUers did that. merrily Feb 2015 #60

I'm a member, not a captive, of the Democratic Party. winter is coming Feb 2015 #62

I also said "My party loyalty oath" William769 Feb 2015 #65

I don't worry about the TOS here. That doesn't mean I have to jump to any DUers demands. merrily Feb 2015 #68

I don't make demands, I just state the facts. William769 Feb 2015 #74

I didn't say you made demands. I said some DUers have--and they have and they still do. merrily Feb 2015 #79

If you only vote for THE Democratic nominee daredtowork Feb 2015 #91

The Democratic nominee refers to who is nominated at the convention. William769 Feb 2015 #96

This thread is about taking oaths to Hillary daredtowork Feb 2015 #99

I agree to the facts. William769 Feb 2015 #103

I wrote this post in response to this daredtowork Feb 2015 #111

So what this boils down to is fodder & deception for yet another attack on Hillary. William769 Feb 2015 #114

Good lord daredtowork Feb 2015 #121

"This is not the way to win supporters." BeanMusical Feb 2015 #133

What a strange web we weave daredtowork Feb 2015 #70

Yes I support Hillary. William769 Feb 2015 #76

Hillary is not the nominee yet daredtowork Feb 2015 #80

And where have I said she is? William769 Feb 2015 #81

That's not what I said daredtowork Feb 2015 #88

It's right there for all to see what you said. William769 Feb 2015 #89

I cut and paste what I said daredtowork Feb 2015 #93

If we already had a nominee, I could see where you are coming from, but Jamastiene Feb 2015 #116

I still have yet to see where this has taken place. William769 Feb 2015 #117

The reason it is not about x or y candidate daredtowork Feb 2015 #120

"This is really disappointing to me because of how I have always felt towards you." BeanMusical Feb 2015 #132

Dude, this is Democratic Underground. If you don't like Democratic Party unity, there are other McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #51

That's exactly the straw man daredtowork Feb 2015 #67

Give us another candidate. One who is running. With polls that show a potential win. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #123

Even Hillary doesn't fit your criteria Fumesucker Feb 2015 #134

+1 BeanMusical Feb 2015 #136

Freedom can be a hard concept to deal with for some people dissentient Feb 2015 #58

I personally do not think the party loyalty has anything to do with it. I vote on issues. Like which jwirr Feb 2015 #75

I focus on issues also. Like our forever war policies where so much money is being thrown away to sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #100

Good point. Those matter to me also and I would switch parties if I thought there was one out jwirr Feb 2015 #148

Well, golly...have you read the TOS here, lately? MADem Feb 2015 #78

Your own highlights underscore my point daredtowork Feb 2015 #84

No one is "twisting your words." No one is trying to "exclude non-Hillary supporters," either. MADem Feb 2015 #101

Calling you "disloyal" is not "besting you in an argument" daredtowork Feb 2015 #110

If you call me "disloyal" I can respond "Well, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it." MADem Feb 2015 #113

And there it is a perfect example of what the OP is about. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #94

HUH? Apparently you didn't read that TOS excerpt very carefully. MADem Feb 2015 #102

Hey MADem William769 Feb 2015 #98

A long time ago, yes. nt MADem Feb 2015 #104

Have we gone down the rabbit hole here! William769 Feb 2015 #105

I think maybe so! nt MADem Feb 2015 #108

yep you nailed it steve2470 Feb 2015 #126

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #115

So you admit Nader was working for the third way in 2000? Without him, Gore would have had McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #122

This post makes no sense whatsoever. Maedhros Feb 2015 #196

Question for the "anyone but Hillary" set--if Al Gore ran would you support him? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author steve2470 Feb 2015 #125

you might want to read the ToS MADem posted daredtowork Feb 2015 #128

Well said. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #139

You advocate uncritical acceptance of Democratic folly.[n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #197

If HRC is the best the Democratic Party has to offer then the 99% already lost anotojefiremnesuka Feb 2015 #131

We live in a revolting, massively funded propaganda state. woo me with science Feb 2015 #137

I don't mind the loyalty police trying to "shut up" me up on DU. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #142

Funny how people complaining about being "shut up" have thousands of posts OKNancy Feb 2015 #150

+10000000 Perfect :~) Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #151

the REALITY in some of our lives, the simple fact of supreme crt justice is RELEVANT. seabeyond Feb 2015 #158

I get that daredtowork Feb 2015 #200

ok. seabeyond Feb 2015 #212

I know I won't get what I want daredtowork Feb 2015 #221

How dare people be partisan on a partisan website!@!11... SidDithers Feb 2015 #159

I love you Sid! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #166

The NOIVE of 'em....the NOIVE, I say....!!!!!!!! MADem Feb 2015 #187

How can you be here when I saw your IP address in an old shoe under my bed? :p nt daredtowork Feb 2015 #222

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #164

K&R.... daleanime Feb 2015 #170

I am outraged at people that are disgusted! Rex Feb 2015 #176

The Democratic Party needs to earn the loyalty of voters. backscatter712 Feb 2015 #178

No independent thought. Obey. Consume and Karmadillo Feb 2015 #179

I stopped reading after "paid strategy....." brooklynite Feb 2015 #191

then maybe you should be on a different forum not dedicated to helping democrats win. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #193

After we pick a nominee I sure hope as hell the staff here enforce that rule. randys1 Feb 2015 #206

And yet again Hillary = Democrats daredtowork Feb 2015 #207

No. I was addressing the OP's main issue " I am disgusted by the whole "party loyalty" meme" La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #223

Left? You think those who oppose Hillary to the point of NOT voting are left? randys1 Feb 2015 #203

The criticism is daredtowork Feb 2015 #210

What? What the ....jesus... randys1 Feb 2015 #213

That's why this snarking about not voting is getting really annoying daredtowork Feb 2015 #219