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98. Still waiting for Godot

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 07:51 PM

Dec 2014

Please do not ask to sacrifice this last hope for democratic populism in the arena of presidential politics! She is needed more to reform or start a new party for those of us who seek justice and equality. Sanders and Warren are needed more to build a new foundation for a new party. It is time to start over the. The democrates since the early seventies have not been new deal democrates,they have been slowly evolving into a moderate Republican Party. We are at war with neoliberal capitalism. We are going to lose some battles and we must accept that fact. We need new leadership; we can not accept winning the White House as winning the war! A great political war strategist was Howard Dean. Sanders,Warren & Dean could and should be the architect of a new deal progressive party!

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Tonight made me rethink my position on Elizabeth Warren... [View all] Agschmid Dec 2014 OP

She certainly showed leadership! hrmjustin Dec 2014 #1

here, here! clink RiverLover Dec 2014 #4

much more leadership than Mr. Obama. I would work and vote for her. roguevalley Dec 2014 #18

Lawrence O'Donnell opened his show with this quote just a few minutes ago: bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #2

Good quote. Agschmid Dec 2014 #3

I agree, but she pretty much said she isn't going to run still_one Dec 2014 #5

No, she's said "I'm not running" and she isn't. RiverLover Dec 2014 #9

She will not run as a candidate period. still_one Dec 2014 #16

She has already run as a candidate. Agschmid Dec 2014 #19

Of course I am referring to her running for President, that is the context of the thread. still_one Dec 2014 #48

Please link to where Warren is quoted as saying she will not run. Scuba Dec 2014 #50

For 2016 she is not interested to run for president. You have every right to believe still_one Dec 2014 #53

Can you cite where she said she is not interested in a 2016 run? Scuba Dec 2014 #54

I hope this comes close to a citation: Raine1967 Dec 2014 #72

Once again, "I am not running" does not equal "I will not run". Scuba Dec 2014 #73

I'm betting her adamancy is a pledge to her current constituents Plucketeer Dec 2014 #76

The latest smear? If she runs for the highest office in the land it's just like Sarah quitting? Scuba Dec 2014 #89

Smear??? Plucketeer Dec 2014 #126

Notice that she always uses the present tense, "I am not running." AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #101

I don't think I said that she would not. Raine1967 Dec 2014 #129

She can not say she is running now. Therefore she has to say she is not running. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #102

There is little to misunderstand. Raine1967 Dec 2014 #128

Every interview I have seen her give she said no. I understand some believe still_one Dec 2014 #59

You need to tell that to DemocracyForAmerica & MoveOn! RiverLover Dec 2014 #21

The MoveOn thing is a big deal. Agschmid Dec 2014 #22

Right? Its huge. RiverLover Dec 2014 #23

sheshe posted that Warren said no to moveon, with a link. I hope lots of "folks" run, though. merrily Dec 2014 #29

Yes she did. For some reason, some folks here believe that is secret code which means she is going still_one Dec 2014 #47

You see it doesn't matter if she says she is running or not. I am assuming she rhett o rick Dec 2014 #103

English language & grammar= "secret code" RiverLover Dec 2014 #105

She has already responded to MoveOn. still_one Dec 2014 #49

No dreamnightwind Dec 2014 #93

I saw multiple interviews where she said she wasn't running. You want to interpret that differently still_one Dec 2014 #94

And none saying she won't dreamnightwind Dec 2014 #104

you give it a rest. Bernie Sanders WILL run, so will Jim Webb, and a few others still_one Dec 2014 #106

I'll give it a rest when she says she won't run dreamnightwind Dec 2014 #131

ok, I understand your point still_one Dec 2014 #132

Does she scare you that badly? nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #40

What kind of illusion are you living in? still_one Dec 2014 #46

Senator Obama said he would not run in 2008. merrily Dec 2014 #67

I will continue to hold out hope that she runs. I don't understand those here that rhett o rick Dec 2014 #68

Does that lack of understanding also apply to the good Senator LanternWaste Dec 2014 #82

I fully understand why she says it. To say otherwise would mean she would rhett o rick Dec 2014 #84

Exactly! She is smart and knows she can't start "running" for president now. AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #87

Not at all. Every other potential candidate has said without a doubt they are looking into the still_one Dec 2014 #108

Oh, so she's playing politics. Now I get it. randome Dec 2014 #118

Because in their alternate universe, I have no doubt that when all the nominees announce, and if still_one Dec 2014 #107

I absolutely, fundamentally do not want Elizabeth Warren to run for president drmeow Dec 2014 #6

In Congress, she'll get as much done as Sanders has. merrily Dec 2014 #30

I don't like Hillary, either - never have, never will drmeow Dec 2014 #43

During which era? merrily Dec 2014 #63

Kennedy had enough seniority to chair an important committee karynnj Dec 2014 #75

you make some good points drmeow Dec 2014 #125

ONCE Again, I Agree With You & This Post! n/t ChiciB1 Dec 2014 #112

After the last six years Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #60

I doubt she will be elected to replace Reid. merrily Dec 2014 #71

Hillary Clinton betrayed us all when she not only approved of the Iraq War, but she rhett o rick Dec 2014 #42

Where in my post did I say ANYTHING drmeow Dec 2014 #44

Sorry, I over reacted to your post. I just want it very clear that H. Clinton should not rhett o rick Dec 2014 #69

I doubt there is much chance of that. Even if she wins. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #95

I see what you did there. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #100

She doesn't represent Democrats drmeow Dec 2014 #119

Yes, I agree. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #130

Ridiculous premise. Scuba Dec 2014 #51

How so? drmeow Dec 2014 #122

Presidents have to compromise BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #55

I hope Hillary wins in 2016, but if the GOP can con the country into electing them again StevieM Dec 2014 #78

Exactly drmeow Dec 2014 #124

Thumbs Up On Your Post!! ChiciB1 Dec 2014 #111

She certainly did stand up humbled_opinion Dec 2014 #7

Exactly. I still want what he promised in 2008, things we just took his word for because he was RiverLover Dec 2014 #10

I think that if she runs (and wins) .... Marrah_G Dec 2014 #36

PLUS 10,000... n/t ChiciB1 Dec 2014 #114

She speaks so clearly and connects to people so easily. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2014 #8

I would love to see her and Bernie run together! Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #11

If she runs and wins the nomination, there is no way she would do that still_one Dec 2014 #110

I hope she runs. bigwillq Dec 2014 #12

Sure would! Agschmid Dec 2014 #13

I hope Hillary decides she wants to do too much grandmothering to leave time for running. merrily Dec 2014 #31

I'm sure a lot hope the same as you. bigwillq Dec 2014 #32

If she wins, it will cost Democrats the election--and probably many Democratic voters. merrily Dec 2014 #34

I don't agree, I think she can certainly win... Agschmid Dec 2014 #35

Many do disagree, just as many disagreed in 2008, the last time Hillary was "unbeatable." merrily Dec 2014 #37

That is actually a pretty accurate assessment still_one Dec 2014 #113

If HRC wins the primary & Dems then lose, 1% Dems STILL win. closeupready Dec 2014 #58

The 1% win, no matter what. With the exception of a couple of blips in our history, merrily Dec 2014 #66

Then effectively you support any Republican for the job. olegramps Dec 2014 #77

Nope. bigwillq Dec 2014 #83

I agree. Different if you were in Florida though still_one Dec 2014 #115

I agree. I would vote for the DEM bigwillq Dec 2014 #116

Not sure if that is a good choice, but I agree still_one Dec 2014 #120

Satan, ham sandwich, Peter Pan bigwillq Dec 2014 #123

Welcome back to the fight. This time I know our side will win. nt TeamPooka Dec 2014 #14

Thanks! Agschmid Dec 2014 #15

Thank you!! Profoundly, thank you Agschmid!! RiverLover Dec 2014 #17

New Minority (Majority) Leader leanforward Dec 2014 #20

Actually, what I'd really like to see drmeow Dec 2014 #24

I think her age would rule her out. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #61

I think she would never be confirmed drmeow Dec 2014 #121

Good. Because if it ain't Bernie or Lizzie, this party is toast. nt silvershadow Dec 2014 #25

The Republican Party was declared dead in 2008 and 2012. Autopsy after 2012 by the RNC head, even. merrily Dec 2014 #38

Perhaps so. You have talked me off the ledge. LOL silvershadow Dec 2014 #88

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #26

Elizabeth Warren tiredtoo Dec 2014 #27

Hmmm. The primary would show that. Besides, Hillary will lose the general if she is the nominee. merrily Dec 2014 #33

She probably won't run PAProgressive28 Dec 2014 #28

If Elizabeth Warren were to somehow become president rury Dec 2014 #39

Or she could simply do LOTS of executive orders. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #65

Yea, but I think Warren would have a better chance of.. busterbrown Dec 2014 #92

the reason she doesn't have much chance is she doesn't have much ground support JI7 Dec 2014 #41

Her positions are in line with most Americans Ash_F Dec 2014 #45

IMO she has the guts many democrats lack! She does not capitulate to obstructionists, RKP5637 Dec 2014 #52

That's why she'd make a perfect Majority/Minority Leader in the Senate. Yes, there's a new Sheriff BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #56

This makes sense to me! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2014 #64

Me, too. With Senator Warren as Majority/Minority Leader, we can make Democrats in Congress BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #74

Like this idea, will be interesting to see what happens. Agschmid Dec 2014 #80

If she doesn't filibuster today... modestybl Dec 2014 #86

Dems don't want to hear it, but the tea baggers are willing to fight and they stick together RKP5637 Dec 2014 #99

She's our new Ted Kennedy TBF Dec 2014 #57

I've always said I'd vote for her (or Bernie) in the New Hampshire primary. Vinca Dec 2014 #62

What you said. n/t Mr. Evil Dec 2014 #90

The Left Ramps Up Push For Warren Vs. Clinton RiverLover Dec 2014 #70

So... will she be filibustering today??? modestybl Dec 2014 #79

We will certainly see. Agschmid Dec 2014 #81

What would a "nay" vote do if it passes... modestybl Dec 2014 #85

Run, Warren, run! LittleBlue Dec 2014 #91

If she gets that stripped from the bill she's definitely strong... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #96

Warren would do terrible in a national general election BootinUp Dec 2014 #97

Still waiting for Godot og1 Dec 2014 #98

I've Supported Her VERY Early On... BUT NOT ChiciB1 Dec 2014 #109

And you will see more allies = she builds confidence fadedrose Dec 2014 #117

If she ran in the primary she would win and INdemo Dec 2014 #127