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karynnj

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75. Kennedy had enough seniority to chair an important committee

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:57 PM

Dec 2014

Warren is too junior (just as HRC was in 2008 - and she then had 8 years.) In kennedy's case, after 1980 (and probably really after 1969), Kennedy did not have the chance to be President.

In fact, Warren's power in the Senate is closer to JFK's before he became President. In not one single biography did anyone write that he could have done more staying in the Senate.

It is interesting that many people arguing that Warren should not run because she can do more in the Senate, argued in 2008 that Hillary's role as a junior Senator (in terms of seniority even more than being junior to Schumer) was too small a role for her. Before Obama appointed her SoS, there were even suggestions made that the HELP committee should form a sub committee to do the healthcare bill - rather than the full committee and appoint HRC to chair that subcommittee. Kennedy and his staff shot that down quickly.

No one knows if she will be tempted to run - it sounds like she has definitely not encouraged anyone to support her doing so. However, if she opts to run in the primary, one of two things will happen - neither bad for her. One is that she will lose, but her profile will have risen higher, more people will know what she stands for and many issues that might otherwise be lost will be raised. Then, like Kerry before her, she can return to her seat and run for reelection when her seat is up. (If she were up in 2016 she would not be able to run for both, but she is not up) The other is that she wins the nomination. This means that she would have had to run a stunningly perfect campaign, beating a candidate with far greater name recognition, a strong resume, and far more money and a husband who is Bill Clinton. That would mean that she has become an incredible powerhouse. Where is the problem?

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Tonight made me rethink my position on Elizabeth Warren... [View all] Agschmid Dec 2014 OP

She certainly showed leadership! hrmjustin Dec 2014 #1

here, here! clink RiverLover Dec 2014 #4

much more leadership than Mr. Obama. I would work and vote for her. roguevalley Dec 2014 #18

Lawrence O'Donnell opened his show with this quote just a few minutes ago: bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #2

Good quote. Agschmid Dec 2014 #3

I agree, but she pretty much said she isn't going to run still_one Dec 2014 #5

No, she's said "I'm not running" and she isn't. RiverLover Dec 2014 #9

She will not run as a candidate period. still_one Dec 2014 #16

She has already run as a candidate. Agschmid Dec 2014 #19

Of course I am referring to her running for President, that is the context of the thread. still_one Dec 2014 #48

Please link to where Warren is quoted as saying she will not run. Scuba Dec 2014 #50

For 2016 she is not interested to run for president. You have every right to believe still_one Dec 2014 #53

Can you cite where she said she is not interested in a 2016 run? Scuba Dec 2014 #54

I hope this comes close to a citation: Raine1967 Dec 2014 #72

Once again, "I am not running" does not equal "I will not run". Scuba Dec 2014 #73

I'm betting her adamancy is a pledge to her current constituents Plucketeer Dec 2014 #76

The latest smear? If she runs for the highest office in the land it's just like Sarah quitting? Scuba Dec 2014 #89

Smear??? Plucketeer Dec 2014 #126

Notice that she always uses the present tense, "I am not running." AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #101

I don't think I said that she would not. Raine1967 Dec 2014 #129

She can not say she is running now. Therefore she has to say she is not running. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #102

There is little to misunderstand. Raine1967 Dec 2014 #128

Every interview I have seen her give she said no. I understand some believe still_one Dec 2014 #59

You need to tell that to DemocracyForAmerica & MoveOn! RiverLover Dec 2014 #21

The MoveOn thing is a big deal. Agschmid Dec 2014 #22

Right? Its huge. RiverLover Dec 2014 #23

sheshe posted that Warren said no to moveon, with a link. I hope lots of "folks" run, though. merrily Dec 2014 #29

Yes she did. For some reason, some folks here believe that is secret code which means she is going still_one Dec 2014 #47

You see it doesn't matter if she says she is running or not. I am assuming she rhett o rick Dec 2014 #103

English language & grammar= "secret code" RiverLover Dec 2014 #105

She has already responded to MoveOn. still_one Dec 2014 #49

No dreamnightwind Dec 2014 #93

I saw multiple interviews where she said she wasn't running. You want to interpret that differently still_one Dec 2014 #94

And none saying she won't dreamnightwind Dec 2014 #104

you give it a rest. Bernie Sanders WILL run, so will Jim Webb, and a few others still_one Dec 2014 #106

I'll give it a rest when she says she won't run dreamnightwind Dec 2014 #131

ok, I understand your point still_one Dec 2014 #132

Does she scare you that badly? nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #40

What kind of illusion are you living in? still_one Dec 2014 #46

Senator Obama said he would not run in 2008. merrily Dec 2014 #67

I will continue to hold out hope that she runs. I don't understand those here that rhett o rick Dec 2014 #68

Does that lack of understanding also apply to the good Senator LanternWaste Dec 2014 #82

I fully understand why she says it. To say otherwise would mean she would rhett o rick Dec 2014 #84

Exactly! She is smart and knows she can't start "running" for president now. AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #87

Not at all. Every other potential candidate has said without a doubt they are looking into the still_one Dec 2014 #108

Oh, so she's playing politics. Now I get it. randome Dec 2014 #118

Because in their alternate universe, I have no doubt that when all the nominees announce, and if still_one Dec 2014 #107

I absolutely, fundamentally do not want Elizabeth Warren to run for president drmeow Dec 2014 #6

In Congress, she'll get as much done as Sanders has. merrily Dec 2014 #30

I don't like Hillary, either - never have, never will drmeow Dec 2014 #43

During which era? merrily Dec 2014 #63

Kennedy had enough seniority to chair an important committee karynnj Dec 2014 #75

you make some good points drmeow Dec 2014 #125

ONCE Again, I Agree With You & This Post! n/t ChiciB1 Dec 2014 #112

After the last six years Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #60

I doubt she will be elected to replace Reid. merrily Dec 2014 #71

Hillary Clinton betrayed us all when she not only approved of the Iraq War, but she rhett o rick Dec 2014 #42

Where in my post did I say ANYTHING drmeow Dec 2014 #44

Sorry, I over reacted to your post. I just want it very clear that H. Clinton should not rhett o rick Dec 2014 #69

I doubt there is much chance of that. Even if she wins. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #95

I see what you did there. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #100

She doesn't represent Democrats drmeow Dec 2014 #119

Yes, I agree. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #130

Ridiculous premise. Scuba Dec 2014 #51

How so? drmeow Dec 2014 #122

Presidents have to compromise BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #55

I hope Hillary wins in 2016, but if the GOP can con the country into electing them again StevieM Dec 2014 #78

Exactly drmeow Dec 2014 #124

Thumbs Up On Your Post!! ChiciB1 Dec 2014 #111

She certainly did stand up humbled_opinion Dec 2014 #7

Exactly. I still want what he promised in 2008, things we just took his word for because he was RiverLover Dec 2014 #10

I think that if she runs (and wins) .... Marrah_G Dec 2014 #36

PLUS 10,000... n/t ChiciB1 Dec 2014 #114

She speaks so clearly and connects to people so easily. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2014 #8

I would love to see her and Bernie run together! Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #11

If she runs and wins the nomination, there is no way she would do that still_one Dec 2014 #110

I hope she runs. bigwillq Dec 2014 #12

Sure would! Agschmid Dec 2014 #13

I hope Hillary decides she wants to do too much grandmothering to leave time for running. merrily Dec 2014 #31

I'm sure a lot hope the same as you. bigwillq Dec 2014 #32

If she wins, it will cost Democrats the election--and probably many Democratic voters. merrily Dec 2014 #34

I don't agree, I think she can certainly win... Agschmid Dec 2014 #35

Many do disagree, just as many disagreed in 2008, the last time Hillary was "unbeatable." merrily Dec 2014 #37

That is actually a pretty accurate assessment still_one Dec 2014 #113

If HRC wins the primary & Dems then lose, 1% Dems STILL win. closeupready Dec 2014 #58

The 1% win, no matter what. With the exception of a couple of blips in our history, merrily Dec 2014 #66

Then effectively you support any Republican for the job. olegramps Dec 2014 #77

Nope. bigwillq Dec 2014 #83

I agree. Different if you were in Florida though still_one Dec 2014 #115

I agree. I would vote for the DEM bigwillq Dec 2014 #116

Not sure if that is a good choice, but I agree still_one Dec 2014 #120

Satan, ham sandwich, Peter Pan bigwillq Dec 2014 #123

Welcome back to the fight. This time I know our side will win. nt TeamPooka Dec 2014 #14

Thanks! Agschmid Dec 2014 #15

Thank you!! Profoundly, thank you Agschmid!! RiverLover Dec 2014 #17

New Minority (Majority) Leader leanforward Dec 2014 #20

Actually, what I'd really like to see drmeow Dec 2014 #24

I think her age would rule her out. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #61

I think she would never be confirmed drmeow Dec 2014 #121

Good. Because if it ain't Bernie or Lizzie, this party is toast. nt silvershadow Dec 2014 #25

The Republican Party was declared dead in 2008 and 2012. Autopsy after 2012 by the RNC head, even. merrily Dec 2014 #38

Perhaps so. You have talked me off the ledge. LOL silvershadow Dec 2014 #88

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #26

Elizabeth Warren tiredtoo Dec 2014 #27

Hmmm. The primary would show that. Besides, Hillary will lose the general if she is the nominee. merrily Dec 2014 #33

She probably won't run PAProgressive28 Dec 2014 #28

If Elizabeth Warren were to somehow become president rury Dec 2014 #39

Or she could simply do LOTS of executive orders. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #65

Yea, but I think Warren would have a better chance of.. busterbrown Dec 2014 #92

the reason she doesn't have much chance is she doesn't have much ground support JI7 Dec 2014 #41

Her positions are in line with most Americans Ash_F Dec 2014 #45

IMO she has the guts many democrats lack! She does not capitulate to obstructionists, RKP5637 Dec 2014 #52

That's why she'd make a perfect Majority/Minority Leader in the Senate. Yes, there's a new Sheriff BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #56

This makes sense to me! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2014 #64

Me, too. With Senator Warren as Majority/Minority Leader, we can make Democrats in Congress BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #74

Like this idea, will be interesting to see what happens. Agschmid Dec 2014 #80

If she doesn't filibuster today... modestybl Dec 2014 #86

Dems don't want to hear it, but the tea baggers are willing to fight and they stick together RKP5637 Dec 2014 #99

She's our new Ted Kennedy TBF Dec 2014 #57

I've always said I'd vote for her (or Bernie) in the New Hampshire primary. Vinca Dec 2014 #62

What you said. n/t Mr. Evil Dec 2014 #90

The Left Ramps Up Push For Warren Vs. Clinton RiverLover Dec 2014 #70

So... will she be filibustering today??? modestybl Dec 2014 #79

We will certainly see. Agschmid Dec 2014 #81

What would a "nay" vote do if it passes... modestybl Dec 2014 #85

Run, Warren, run! LittleBlue Dec 2014 #91

If she gets that stripped from the bill she's definitely strong... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #96

Warren would do terrible in a national general election BootinUp Dec 2014 #97

Still waiting for Godot og1 Dec 2014 #98

I've Supported Her VERY Early On... BUT NOT ChiciB1 Dec 2014 #109

And you will see more allies = she builds confidence fadedrose Dec 2014 #117

If she ran in the primary she would win and INdemo Dec 2014 #127