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stevenleser

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Mon Nov 17, 2014, 06:46 PM Nov 2014

Putin hoped to get Merkel and Germany on his side in the Ukraine crisis. That hope is over [View all]

Merkel and Germany have had enough of Putin. What's startling is how significantly the relationship between Germany and Russia, Merkel and Putin has changed. When you read this article immediately below, its hard to imagine that just nine months ago they were enjoying friendly relations.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014946280

Nov 17 (Today) - Russia could seek to destabilise vast areas of eastern Europe if it is not challenged in Ukraine, Angela Merkel warned on Monday.

The strongly worded statement came as Ukraine's president warned of a resumption of "total war" in the strife-torn country's east.

In a speech to Sydney's Lowry Institute for International Policy Studies, the German Chancellor said Russia's annexation of Crimea and subsequent destabilisation of eastern Ukraine "called the whole of the European peaceful order into question".

"This isn't just about Ukraine," she said. "This is about Moldova, this is about Georgia, and if this continues then one will have to ask about Serbia and one will have to ask about the countries of the Western Balkans."

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/angela-merkel/11236622/Angela-Merkel-warns-Russia-could-seek-to-destabilise-whole-of-the-European-peaceful-order.html
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Note from two articles from severla months ago how the status of the relationship and Merkel's statements have changed since the beginning of the crisis. She was thought of as the "Chief Mediator", but Putin's behavior has put Merkel against him.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/07/us-merkel-putin-insight-idUSBREA260E120140307

March 7 - (Reuters) - After one of her first encounters with Vladimir Putin in 2002, Angela Merkel joked to aides that she had passed the "KGB test" by staring straight into his eyes without averting her gaze.

Unlike presidents in Washington - George W. Bush claimed to have gotten a glimpse of Putin's soul and Barack Obama promised to "reset" relations with Russia - the German chancellor has never harbored any illusions about the former Soviet agent, nor hopes that she might change him.

It is this hard-nosed realism, born of Merkel's own experience growing up in a Soviet garrison town in East Germany and reinforced over a turbulent 14-year relationship with Putin, that has earned her respect in the Kremlin and thrust her into the potentially risky role of chief mediator in the Ukraine crisis.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/angela-merkel/10803349/Ukraine-crisis-what-is-the-relationship-between-Angela-Merkel-and-Vladimir-Putin.html

May 2 - Teneo Intelligence's Carsten Nickel has discussed the relationship between German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Russian President Vladimir in light of the Ukraine crisis.

He said that Germany has" "economic interests in maintain ties with Russia if you think of the energy challenge in Germany.

"It puts every German government...in a position where they will have to work towards mediation".


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The Putin-fluffers will be along directly, replete with RT articles ... 11 Bravo Nov 2014 #1
I would be interested to hear how they would characterize the relationship between Putin and Merkel stevenleser Nov 2014 #2
Agreed, but appearing silly has not hindered them heretofore. 11 Bravo Nov 2014 #3
True, but in those instances, they fell back on covert/spy/conspiracy theory stuff. stevenleser Nov 2014 #4
Well, Merkel is an actual conservative, a RWer. CJCRANE Nov 2014 #5
Yeah, while Putin is busy planting daisies in rifles... joeybee12 Nov 2014 #6
No, he's a bad guy. Just like Saddam was, and Gadaffi, and Assad. CJCRANE Nov 2014 #7
Didn't happen.... joeybee12 Nov 2014 #10
And what happens when we take this "scum" down? CJCRANE Nov 2014 #13
We're not taking him down...he just needs to stay the phuck joeybee12 Nov 2014 #23
After years of state capitalism Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #61
Yeah, and Putin is a liberal lion!!! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2014 #8
See my post above. What happened when we removed Saddam and Gadaffi? CJCRANE Nov 2014 #9
Well, we can all thank the heavens that it's not up to you. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2014 #11
The Iraq invasion, Syria and Libya interventions weren't up to me either. CJCRANE Nov 2014 #15
As it should be. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2014 #20
I never suggested it should be. But I was more accurate about the Iraq invasion than the "experts" CJCRANE Nov 2014 #26
How many more countries must Pooty Poot invade before you assign blame to him & not the US? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2014 #28
Do you really think he's going to invade other countries CJCRANE Nov 2014 #31
I didn't think he'd invade Crimea, but I don't have your crystal ball. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2014 #35
"I didn't think he'd invade Crimea, but I don't have your crystal ball." Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #43
+1 Tarheel_Dem Nov 2014 #44
That would imply she is going along with Putin, since Putin is the Russian version of a neocon. stevenleser Nov 2014 #12
I can see what they're doing very clearly. I was against the Iraq invasion. I was in the minority. CJCRANE Nov 2014 #14
I was against the Iraq invasion as well, but not out of a sense of negative nationalism stevenleser Nov 2014 #17
I agree but I don't think our side are honest brokers acting in good faith. CJCRANE Nov 2014 #19
It doesn't matter what kind of "broker our side" is. Unless you don't believe any news source other Tarheel_Dem Nov 2014 #25
Neither you nor I speak for the world. We have a difference of opinion CJCRANE Nov 2014 #27
The world, with the exception of you & a few others, has spoken. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2014 #33
Your own graph shows something different. Anyway, let's hope he gets ousted and see what happens. nt CJCRANE Nov 2014 #36
Yeah, "let's hope". Tarheel_Dem Nov 2014 #39
People in the U.S. have odd definitions of the world. former9thward Nov 2014 #32
You think two out of around two hundred countries makes your point? stevenleser Nov 2014 #45
Well our State Department would disagree with you. former9thward Nov 2014 #50
Really? I have a contact over there. Should I ask them? I bet they will disagree. nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #51
Sure, ask your "contact". former9thward Nov 2014 #53
It's the standard press contact. I can forward you the email and you can call to verify stevenleser Nov 2014 #55
Yes. former9thward Nov 2014 #62
More accurately, the governments of the world's two most populated countries... LanternWaste Nov 2014 #64
That same argument can be made about every country. former9thward Nov 2014 #65
FWIW I'm not saying this because I'm againt President Obama (which seems to be the implication). CJCRANE Nov 2014 #34
The subject of this thread is Angela Merkel. Please try & keep up. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2014 #37
Implication. Look it up. I have a feeling this subthread has turned into a get the last word in fest CJCRANE Nov 2014 #38
Lol. RWer? I doubt it ecpecially compare to an yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #52
I was going to point that out. Merkel is to the left of many Democrats IMHO. nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #56
Yes! You are 100 percent correct! yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #57
German conservatives are to the LEFT of US Democrats. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #58
This sort of post helps make DU suck. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #30
I think being right is a universal defense to "making DU suck" much like it is with libel/slander stevenleser Nov 2014 #49
Too late! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2014 #40
I have a different opinion. I am not a Putinista, a Saddam-lover or a neocon. CJCRANE Nov 2014 #16
You haven't voiced a different opinion. A different opinion would be that Merkel is on Putin's side stevenleser Nov 2014 #18
I do not think our side are acting in good faith. I think they have a prearranged agenda. CJCRANE Nov 2014 #21
No, you are just a stereotypical Hate-America-Firster. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Nov 2014 #63
Pffft! zappaman Nov 2014 #22
LOL! stevenleser Nov 2014 #24
I find it very hard to believe Putin EVER expected to get Merkel/Germany's support. KittyWampus Nov 2014 #29
I'm seriously wondering if Putin is suffering from some sort of brain disfunction, perhaps dementia. northoftheborder Nov 2014 #41
It makes sense under one limited context. His popularity level was plummeting in Russia. stevenleser Nov 2014 #47
cue the rt crew DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #42
If anybody can spot a rat bastard fomenting crises to facilitate land grabs -- Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #46
And that may be the best response to my OP among many very good ones. stevenleser Nov 2014 #48
Why sir, I blush. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #54
You mean she wasn't impressed with his massive pecs? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #60
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